Fox 'Course Correction' Rankles Some - Conservatives grumble that the cable channel no longer speaks for them as it once did

Hmm, fascist mouth piece isn't fascist enough anymore. I wonder if murdoch and the RNC will solve their problem with the base the way Hitler solved his issues with the more radical Roehmer and his SA in 1934.

Interesting seed Carloz, good find.

Fox hasn't moved to the left. The situation is that the candidates are heading further extreme right which Fox has not followed. By comparison, some think that the right positions held by Fox deal are leftish.

I'm an O'Reilly/Morning Joe watcher.

Fox's morning show is nothing but conservatives and it's boring, like watching all-liberal shows on MSNBC.

O'Reilly is an admitted conservative, but he brings opposition on.

All position and movement is relative.

It sounds like Fox stayed static, and the conservative discussion went further right placing Fox to the left on issues.

Happy to report, I've been 'Fox' Free for 7 years already! The 'NO SPIN' zone was making me DIZZY...Welcome to our world John Fredericks! I promise, you will feel better and better, as time goes by; after kicking the... habit.

idj, what political shows do you watch?

Faux Noise realizing people in padded cells can't vote?

They should advocate voting rights for feces flinging apes. That's where their demographics was headed.

Used to be corporate propaganda was more subtle, like these fossil fuel policy ads that's everywhere. It's not destruction of environment, but job creation.

Now, Faux Noise contributors might as well be wearing brown shirts and goose stepping.

They've called Obama everything up to Anti-Christ!

Faux Noise should jump off cliff and take GOP with it.

All position and movement is relative.

good point. It makes you wonder what's the real definition of center these days.

And as I wrote that, I realized I'd just tripped over the problem. "These days"?? Center just "is" what it is. How do you move it?? Yet apparently we do just that.

The truth: there's a true center, and the whole spectrum of political thought slides left and right of center. If Fox is moving, it's not up to them to redefine the political center.

Rorschach, well put.

I would add that the center is impossible to find or define and that no person or organization can define it.

The center is where politicians, corporations, and money can get people to believe where the center is. It is always fluid. Reagan was a center-right politician. By todays standards, he would clearly be left of center.

I find it very interesting that this article indicates a relationship between Fox News and what it's consumer wants...

I don't think such a relationship exists. There is what Fox News wants; then they go create a credulous audience.

Everyone and awhile one of them wakes up and turns the channel. Thus affording Fox an opportunity to reevaluate and fine tune it's message...

Any reevaluation will arise becaue their strategy has begun to fail. Not due to a sudden positive worldview shift on the part of it's leadership.

Flame.... morining to you

This is marketing 101. They are looking at what sells and brings money to them. There is nothing about news content, or quality of programming in their moves.

The only people who watch FOX anymore are the radicals. Everybody who doesn't have their head up their a$$ is tired of the lying bullsh1t spewing from FOX's hate crime inciting mouths day in day out even if SCOTUS stated that FOX has a right to lie!

How do people find it shocking. Roger Ailes, while working for Nixon, said that the GOP needed to make a GOP TV channel.

.....He's the guy running Fox News.

.....He's the guy running Fox News.

http://www.esquire.com/features/roger-ailes-0211

This is a great article about Ailes from a year ago. It didn't necessarily change my mind about him but it offers a little perspective.

#1.Sounds like some are complaining that FOX may actually be trying to be more fair and balanced. I guess the slogan's fine, but such behavior isn't.

That's funny- how this channel is thought not to be so foxy (=biased and unfair) anymore because they won't bash the President AS HARSHLY anymore! Didn't they realize that their way could not be sustained because no one or any entity can HATE that much.

Even "iron wears out", and so more and more people realize that they are nothing but losers when they practice this hate to this degree.

Unfortunately, this person who changed channels because Fox would not display the hatred of the President as this viewer wished, is one of those dyed-in-the-wool haters and nothing will ever satisfy his thirst for blood! He will die unsatisfied.

I do hope this viewer is very old, feeble, retarded and just about ready for his final "dirt-nap" and that no one listens to him anymore about anything.

The only people who watch FOX anymore are the radicals.

Really? Maybe in your universe.

Most of the people commenting on the Newsvine home site (not the MSN links) seem radical to me.

FOX may actually be trying to be more fair and balanced.

Hardly. Fox is, and has always been, a propaganda outlet. It's actually humorous to see the Fox viewers complaining that the outlet has become a mouthpiece for the RNC. I'm not even sure I'd call it a move to the left - this isn't a change in ideology, it's a change in tactics. So they aren't supporting the whackadoodles anymore... they've set their collective support for Romney. That's really not new, all that is, is support for the Republican who has the best chance of winning. I would even say it reflects a changing audience. Could enough of their minions be souring on the antics of the current Congress for the RNC to see the writing on the wall? I think this is a "shape up or ship out" last gasp attempt to coalesce around a winner and thereby remain relevant. Imagine a 2006-like Democratic rout in Congress, combined with the reelection of Obama. Fox's audience would probably lay the blame on the network instead of the gallery of incompetent candidates. So I think Fox is trying to stave off that revolt by desperately backing someone - anyone - who has a chance of winning under the "R" label.

Don't be fooled. Fox deliberately caused this amongst their avid and rabid viewers. Now they want to appear reasonable to avoid any culpability as a mouthpiece for the Republican party. They alone pimped the Tea party, nothing but Armey rebranding the Republicans because they created a mess under Cheney and the other crooks in charge and have no platform to run on. They have done nothing but hammer Obama with conspiracy theories and fear-mongering since he took office to cover what the filthy Repubs did while in power, and set him up as a scapegoat for all of America's ills. You should hear how miserable some of the older folks and some baby boomers are who listen to that 24/7. It really is sad, their level of racism and fear that has been fostered about this sitting US President. Fox is just backing away, like they did when Tiller was assassinated.

The only people who watch FOX anymore are the radicals.

Really? Maybe in your universe.

Mine too. Anyone with half a clue as to reality gets disgusted after about 3 minutes of these jokers. How anyone can stomache twats like Hannity is beyond me, he is SO FLAGRANTLY TWISTED for the GoTP, that it's astonishing ANYONE takes him seriously, including the GoTP.

Do you really need to broadcast your sycophancy?!

Fred, your universe is liberal. You have a political bias that prevents you from being rational.

I have stated that I watch a little of MSNBC and Fox.

No sycophant here. What political/news shows do you watch regularly?

What political/news shows do you watch regularly?

None, I am capable of reaching my own conclusions from a variety of sources, political shows are so much grand-standing and back-pounding, none of them are worth their weight in salt.

You have a political bias that prevents you from being rational.

LOL, really? And I expect you think you don't?

No sycophant here

I didn't mean you, I meant Fox toadies....

Fox News is like the kid that rediscovers the hammer. And runs about happily bashing himself in the head with it...

Propaganda always works like this. Or more generally, any liar works like this.

At first the liar gets a charge from being believed. So he makes up bigger lies. He becomes entrapped by manipulating the truth, losing his ability to discriminate between reality and what he's trying to shape reality to be.

The further he takes it, the more apparent and ridiculous the lies become...

<waves at FlyNavy>

Ok Fred. What are the sources you use for your information?

I am a Republican that most conservatives would probably call a RINO. I try to be honest and objective and I freely admit my political leanings.

Republicans p1ss me off when they attack Obama for things Bush did and they sat silent for. I support Obama in the wars and I don't demand that he debrief the country every time he turns around. I think Clinton ran a pretty good economy. Liberals p1ss me off when they acted like the Patriot Act and wire tapping were evil under Bush and "well, I'm uncomfortable, but I'll let is slide" under Obama. Where Obama fails with me is that he lets the fringe guide him on too many issues-green energy, Obamacare, etc.

Fair enough?

I find this ironic, Fox News is just returning back to what it originally was: A news channel that gave BOTH sides to the political argument. NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, HN, MSNBC, etc have been liberal channels where their idea of a fair debate was 1 Conservative versus 3 to 4 Liberals with each person given equal time other than the Conservative whose sole goal was to show "balance" from the network. Fox News was the first channel that had 1-on-1 debates over the issues: 1 Liberal versus 1 Conservative. I wish, in many ways, that Alan Colmes and Sean Hannity would be a team again and have their debates. Instead, Alan is focused on his radio show and occasionally shows up on Fox News to debate an issue or two. When he does show up, Alan is usually paired with his sister-in-law, Monica Crowley.

I'm a Conservative that wants Fox News to be what it was: a place where you truly got the full story and had a clear debate where both major political views were given.

And some 70 percent of our readers thought it had moved left

Keep in mind that this is a 'Texas left', which is your 'down'

Hmmm.. could this be nothing but propaganda from Media Matters? This would indicate so.

HappyToSeeYa - Fox hasn't moved to the left. The situation is that the candidates are heading further extreme right which Fox has not followed. By comparison, some think that the right positions held by Fox deal are leftish.

From my perspective, you hit it on the head. The GOP candidates this year are so far away from their more moderate base, many Republicans are also starting to lean towards Obama.

Hmmm why would Fox start a shift to the left? Maybe because when everyone thought the Tuscon shooter was an avid Fox viewer, the everyone included some very nervous Fox executives. Maybe it was because Glenn Beck did so much damage to their name that even hard line GOPers (real conservatives not tea partiers) were starting to move to the left. Maybe because the 300,000,000 Americans who do not watch Fox equate Fox with racism, hatred, and stupidity. My personal belief, I think the Fox executive board are just tired of being embarrassed.

Can you imagine being part of the Fox heirarchy and having to go in front of your family and friends to explain Gretchen Carlson?

Move to the middle of what? Fingers maybe,viewpoints,not even close.

weneedarwin,

My personal belief, I think the Fox executive board are just tired of being embarrassed.

Sure, ten years of "owning" your opposition is embarrassing. LOL!

You guys sure like to take a concept and run with it though! You certainly have vivid imaginations.

Besides, I think this story is more about FOX BUSINESS NEWS than Fox News. FBN is changing their line up. Fox News is staying put.

Fox's morning show is nothing but conservatives and it's boring, like watching all-liberal shows on MSNBC.

MORE FALSE DICHOTOMY.

Sorry friend, but this is provably false, why? Because while fox shows fox and friends in the AM, MSNBC shows morning JOE which stars the former republican house representative and conservative known as joe Scarborough.

HE is ANYTHING but liberal.

YES MSNBC leans left but they do not have a single dem presidential candidate working for them. AND THEY SHOW REPUBLICAN SHOWS IN THE MORNING, which is the total opposite of fox. So please quit trying to pretend they are two sides of the same coin as you just look foolish.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

versus

www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

this site sucks with the link BS.

Fox is moving left, as in becoming more liberal???? No, I don't think so!

The problem, as I see it, is that Faux has been trying all this time to portray Obama as "far left" and "extremely liberal" when in fact, it has become apparent to all that he is NOT. He is a centrist!

The GNOP are finding it increasing more difficult to justify their steadfast anti-Obama positions because the public are getting more and more tired of it, so the Republican Party has secretly expressed a hope that Faux can subtly shift their emphasis to find some right-of-center support so as to rebuilt the Party without the "Tea" aspect.

Too little too late though, the rampant hate-infused audience that they have built over the last three years have nowhere else to go for their "Destroy Obama and All Things Liberal" fests, so either they get their old "Faux" back or they will work to create that same atmosphere on CNN.

i think fox is changing.not out of any altruistic motives but simply because theyve become synonymous with misinformation and right wing propaganda.much like a limbaugh it gets boring hearing,rich good,poor and middle class lazy,stupid and wanting something for nothing over and over again.so you appeal only to the dimwitted and the rich that want that point of view perpetuated.fox is an entertainment channel not an unbiased new channel.maybe they want to change.lets face it they have some babe newscasters on now

Hannity didn't get the memo.

I think Shephed Smith does the best FOX news.

O'Reilly gives a lot of time to self-promotion.

But my fav is Rachel Maddow.

all this is, is the Ron Paul effect.

Fox was seen as fine until he came around...and their complete bias against him was so obvious.

they are big business/government corruption and are closer to msnbc than many people think.

they do not want independent thought..they want sheep/slaves...that want big government and no questions.

just like msnbc.

Rational Brent... Not sure which article you are reading but the one we are all commenting on is specifically about the Fox News Channel.

And Fox may very well have the best ratings (because the 97% of US that doesn't watch it has at least 7 alternative sources), but I bet that's not what they tell their neighbors, family, and friends when they are asked "how is it possible that the people that watch your network be less informed then the guy that gets his news by reading the headlines on the way to the Sports section?"

It is written: When you sail too close to the right edge of the flat earth the wily fox will jump ship first followed by most of the rats. The rest are doomed.

I keep sailing over the edge and another edge just keeps appearing...

:)

Wenee, just pointing out that Fox Business is actually changing their line up as we type.

Dismiss the ratings as you please.

Yes Brent, quite fair actually. I usually find your posts to be thoughtful and considered, even when I disagree with them....vehemently. I get my news from a variety of sources, and usually try to review 2 or three versions of a story before I actually start to accept the details within. Look for personal spin from the writer be it intentional or otherwise, and I like to think I usually arrive at a conclusion that is somewhat close to reality. Sometimes stories are well-told and accurate, and other times they are brazen distortions from one perspective, accepting any tale you are told as gospel is a BAD MO. And in my experience, Fox's perspective is so flagrantly tilted to the right, it boggles the mind. Why they haven't been sued for their obviously deceptive advertising 'Fair & Balanced' is beyond me, as they are neither. The closest is CNN to that ideal. I understand folks want a more conservative angle, but Fox has thrown out conservative and gone straight for the 'wack-a-doodle' line.

I was very much behind Bush's attack on the Taliban, and very much against Iraq. I wrote my Congresscritters, my Senators, and even worthless Pelosi, and none of them listened. It turned out bad, and I have to try every day not to write an 'I told you so' to Pelosi.

I'm no fan of the Patriot Act, and I am less than thrilled that Obama not only failed to do away with it, but 'enhanced' it! All I can do is write letters to my reps (and Obama), and vote my conscience. I'd LOVE a reasonable alternative to Obama in the upcoming elections, if for no other reason than to keep him honest, but the GoTP seems bound and determined to pick a buffoon.

Let's be frank, Santorum will get whitewashed, and Romney is Obama-lite, he can't even defend his OWN actions and words. Santorum's a joke, but at least he BELIEVES what he believes, and won't turn with the tides as Romney will/has.

Newscorp must be losing money. It's the only reason for any "move to center," Fox would make, which is questionable, at best.

Coupled with Murdoch's troubles in Britain, and his lawyer's efforts to keep it from bleeding over here, and the advertiser hemorrhage Beck caused, it can be viewed as an implosion.

"Conservatives" grumble Fox no longer speaks for them ? Change that to EXTREMISTS, then it can POSSIBLY be viewed as believable. Possibly, because Fox has a LOOOONG way to go, before their "credentials" are restored with the rest of sane, thinking America.

Fox News has never been "conservative" - it's always been corporatist. It catered to conservatives because of its anti-welfare stance; welfare requires taxes and regulations and that takes away money from corporatists, and conservatives). So it would make sense that Fox News is a mouthpiece for the RNC. The Republican establishment is corporatist; it couldn't care less about conservatism (or liberalism) and why conservative social issues, like abortion, gay rights, and making fundamentalist Christianity the state religion has never really mattered to it. The Republicans only use those conservatives to get votes and then walks away from them. Once conservatives wake up that it's all about making more money for the 1%, then maybe, well, who knows.

Dude, the seeded article is from Politico, not Media Matters -- and it has nothing to do with the article you linked to.

Dude does not care Carloz. You should have seen the "statistics" he posted one day as his own work and they were nonsense. He does not care.

Oh what fresh hell is this "A split in the Republican party between the Tea bagger base and the Elite Republicans" Watch out Fox Snooze the base is beginning to wake up!

find this ironic, Fox News is just returning back to what it originally was: A news channel that gave BOTH sides to the political argument.

They're just moving back to establishment Republicanism. That's what it originally was. What is silly is the far, far right Tea Party types acting like Fox has always reflected their exact views, rather than those of the party establishment. This guy has it right:

http://prospect.org/article/fox-news-now-part-liberal-media

Can you imagine being part of the Fox heirarchy and having to go in front of your family and friends to explain Gretchen Carlson?

Gretchen Carlson is CLEARLY a woman in dire need of a bran muffin.

But seriously...considering we are currently stationed in Germany...and considering I am a voting Democrat...I got into a political discussion with a couple of our German friends one night.

I was trying to explain what Fox does, and then remembered that I had MY own personal laptop there with me...so I pulled up a few Fox clips for them. There was a random smattering of Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck...and Carlson. I showed them about 8 or 9 different quickly chosen clips.

I was concentrating on my computer as they played and then clicking on the next one....so I hadn't paid much attention to their faces until I was done.

When I looked at them they had hung their heads. The wife looked at me and said, "Do people not understand how dangerous this is? We have this awful...AWFUL...history here. To speak with that kind of hatred of others is just so sad and dangerous. I hope...just hope...people there can see above this."

I didn't know what to say at that point and just shook my head.