Republicans need to work on anger management

Considering that the Pubs have nothing to run on, what else do they have in their holster than their negativity?

As for the GOP running the risk of leaving an impression that they are rooting against an economic recovery, that train left the station a long time ago, leaving that strong impression in its wake

what you mean like when they said they hopped Obama failed?

Or how they told china, that Obama was lying about our economy and it was much worse, right before we had another treasury sale?

or how they blew away all records in filibustering?

or perhaps you mean their "jobs plan" which is to have the federal government shed jobs as fast as possible?

Or how in the first time in history we suddenly had a problem raising the debt ceiling? A debt ceiling that had to be raised partially due to spending that the GOP voted on?

Surely you dont mean the people who let our country lose it's AAA credit status for the first time in history with their refusal to let the bush tax cuts ever expire, as they were supposed to.

Or how all their suggestions to fix the economy involve doubling down on the policies of the president that was presiding over the country when the economy went into the @!$%#ter?

I really dont see where people get the crazy idea that the GOP would harm the economy for political gain, that is as insane as going outside and claiming the sky is blue.

The most recent jobs report "happened in spite of the president's policies, not because of them," he told the CPAC gathering. "It's the Obama economy now. And we're not going to let people forget it

Pardon me for spiiting coffee all over your post Carloz.....the sad part is they will get a bunch of people to believe it.....

Soooo counterproductive.

Schools are just starting to address the tragedies of bullying, while ADULTS use inflammatory, derogatory slurs in a political agenda.

The Republicans used fear to gain their base, now they are slaves to that mentality, and are driven by fear themselves.

<looks at the guy in the Oval Office; remembers the first, greatest Republican>

Huh?

How ironic...

(Anger is always a response to fear...)

The Republicans will be really looking for something to do to make things look bad and blame it on Obama becouse they do not care about the country getting better only getting Obama out of office!

And don't forget the Neocons/Republicans/Teabaggers started this Anti-Americanism a few years ago; when they started cheering and high fiving each other for the U S 'losing' that Olympic bid. Remember that?

America, please remember that each and everytime you enter a voting booth...

#1:And I'm sure they will oblige him. As for the GOP running the risk of leaving an impression that they are rooting against an economic recovery, that train left the station a long time ago, leaving that strong impression in its wake.

Good morning from Chicago, Ill, Carloz. Hope you and yours are well.

You're correct, "the train left the station a long time ago", but I have decided that these folk are really, seriously suffering from the Obama Derangement Syndrome.

They are at a loss for words, deeds, strategies, plans, etc. They are lost, period.

This is simply because they are still in shock, proceeding through all of the stages therein; some are further along the parameters than others, so some are still in denial while others are attempting negotiating (much fewer though than other stages).

Unfortunately, none of these folk have reached the final stage they need to deal with the issues at hand (President Obama winning the Presidency). That final stage is ACCEPTANCE.

And unlike what some people might think, acceptance does not necessarily mean you are in agreement. When people realize that you do not have to agree in order to accept, things will be much better for these people.

But acceptance is the final stage of shock (really separation & loss) for good reason; it is very difficult to arrive at and to handle.

#1.8:America, please remember that each and everytime you enter a voting booth...

Idj, Thanks for reminding everyone. Do me a favor: if you think about it: remind everyone of this malevolent behavior by "American citizens/patriots" again when we get close to November voting time.

I will also be on the band wagon of reminding people of how these patriots acted!

"becouse they do not care about the country getting better only getting Obama out of office!"

There was a saying,"once you go black you'll never go back" maybe the repubs are fearful, that in this case, it could be true.

#1.11:There was a saying,"once you go black you'll never go back" maybe the repubs are fearful, that in this case, it could be true.

It is absolutely shameful how afraid these repugs are! They are afraid of -first- losing all of their "stolen" power and secondly, these repugs are afraid of the future!

They are aware that the future does not include them as the status quo (as has been before); never will be the same again!

It tickles me to see grown men act like spoiled, little bad azzed kids without any parental training.

It is also so funny to me because these idiots didn't expect it to come SO SOON! They were not ready for the "coming".

Too funny.

I must have missed all the news reports of all the assaults that the GOP has been committing with all their glitter bombs, pie attacks, etc. Maybe you can link me to some of these? All the news stories I see seem to be liberal on gop crime. But maybe you can assuage my ignorance?

Considering that the Pubs have nothing to run on, what else do they have in their holster than their negativity?

I agree. However, nothing in the holster would at least be better than shooting yourself in the foot. For example, look at the opinion polls and a large majority of Americans supporting jobs legislation. After Boehner saying the 2010 elections were all about jobs, jobs, jobs there were no Republican proposals for jobs legislation. Finally they succumbed to pressure and offered a ridiculous "jobs" program that was nothing more than grossly over indulging the millionaires, billionaires, multi billionaires and corporations with more tax cuts for "job creators." How are Americans going to respond to that?

Generally the only jobs those job creators are creating are in places like China, where the workers put in 12 hour shifts for $17 a day with no benefits while living in dorms between shifts. So here on the Vine, if a seed article or member cites jobs, or the disparity between the super rich and the rest of us, there will be numerous attempts to divert discussion away from the main topic to personal attacks on Obama, talking points about everything from gun rights to birth control to food stamps.

Let's take this a step further. You say "Obama" and its like the doctor's mallet to the knee. Duck and cover, here comes the knee jerk talking point reactions. One can never forget that Obama broke the race barrier for the white house and to some extent he is like Joe Louis or Jackie Robinson in sports. They got called the "N" word everywhere they went and got hundreds of hate mail letters and death threats. Just say Obama, and its the same knee jerk reaction. And much of it is talking points from Fox non news, Rush and right wing chain emails.

I think we're being a bit unfair to the GOP. Democrats pretty-much have a single core value on which its positions are built (compassion and consideration for others), and therefore everyone who is a Democrat has at least that one shared value. We may disagree how to manifest that core value, and perhaps even how much to manifest that core value, but we still can respect each other because we can draw the parallel between our own decisions about how to manifest that core value and how someone else may go in a different direction manifesting that core value.

Republicans don't have a single core value on which its positions are built. The GOP is, at this point, a coalition, at best. Some Republicans build their politics on top of blind obedience to an ancient religious tome. Other Republicans regularly contravene that religious perspective in pursuit of their core value, the fostering of wealth. I hesitate to even mention the Republicans who's core value is fiscal responsibility, reduction of debt, etc., because I think that the other two groups have so completely chased all those fiscal conservatives away, labeling them RINOs because they didn't buy-into the religious nonsense, nor sought to place businesses superior to people in the grand scheme of things.

Regardless, the only thing that truly brings the whole Republican Party together is the opposition to that shared Democratic core value (i.e., opposition to compassion and consideration for others). though each part of the Republican Party resonate with that concept in completely different ways. The religious reactionaries resonate with the opposition to extending the protection of civil liberties to those within our society still regularly subject to persecution and marginalization. Those who worship wealth resonate with the opposition to ensuring that a rich society like ours treats all the contributors to its prosperity equitably. Even if we consider true fiscal conservatives still Republicans, they'd also resonate with opposition to the Democratic core value, putting reducing the debt superior in society's priorities, above that consideration of basic human needs.

So a political party that, essentially, exists only because of how its members share a core value that is nothing but opposition to what the other party supports cannot reasonably be expected to project a positive message. The closest thing they have to a shared value is explicitly negative.

Fanaticism and self-control make for strange bedfellows. Rasmussen's got his work cut out for him. The GOP's spent years, and billions, using their mega-media megaphones to encourage exactly this:

"How many of you," Scott Rasmussen asked the crowd at last week's Conservative Political Action Conference, "have ever mocked or made fun of the president's call for hope and change? Raise your hands."

Most people in the Marriott Wardman Park ballroom raised their hands. There were cheers and whoops.

"With all due respect," the conservative pollster and commentator told them, "I'd like to say that's really stupid."

Has the memo gone out to Rush, Hannity, "Vicks Weepyboy" Beck etc?

#1.17:Hi MEG -- and let's not forget all the other times the Right has tried to denigrate Chicago and Obama:

Hi Carloz,

How can we ever forget how the right-wing nuts began to attempt to denigrate Chicago --just because this is where the President lives! (along with millions of other people- including me!).

I knew it was time to defend my city and I did! Talk about stupidity at its grandest and in all of its glory!

These people did not even know where Chicago was located - and the others wished they could live in such a rich, refined and classy city.

I said then and will say again, don't attempt to camoflauge your hatred for the man by attaching him to a "city". For Christs sake, they were really reaching. Anything for the cause, I suppose!

Jesse-Az
I must have missed all the news reports of all the assaults that the GOP has been committing with all their glitter bombs, pie attacks, etc. Maybe you can link me to some of these? All the news stories I see seem to be liberal on gop crime. But maybe you can assuage my ignorance?

LMAO! Get down, Glitter Bomb!

But you are right, of course. The GoTP isn't doing anything harmful like trying to hold up the economy, attacking women's rights and bodies, throwing childish fits about birth control, screaming about homosexuals every chance they get, pushing for an unnecessary pipeline for their oil masters, destroying the EPA, healthcare, (further) defunding education, killing unions, burying the poor and raising taxes on the middle class while doing all they can to allow the wealthy to pay as little in taxes as possible, all while touting the sanctity of marriage with Newt as one of their primary candidates.

But seriously...Glitter Bomb!

They are naturally fearful and hateful.

Little GOPhers are made of bile and fear.

I am sure that Dr. Tiller's family has often said to themselves "Well, at least he wasn't glitter bombed". And your point?

Walt, very well written post, I would ask one thing of you though.

WaltDIS

I think we're being a bit unfair to the GOP. Democrats pretty-much have a single core value on which its positions are built (compassion and consideration for others), and therefore everyone who is a Democrat has at least that one shared value.

Read through the posts on this seed, or any other and tell me if you believe Democrats are holding on to those core values.

The recovery already happened for the rich, shortly following the bail-outs, and most of the taxpayers' money has already been repaid. Investors and those whose primary income comes from their own labor live in two separate economies:

The mobility effect refers to a basic asymmetry of globalization: the difference between internationally mobile capital and immobile labor. When capital becomes internationally mobile, countries begin to compete for it. They do this by offering improved profitability compared with other countries, for example, by cutting corporate tax rates, easing regulations, tolerating pollution, or ignoring labor standards.In the ensuing competition among governments, capital benefits from a "race to the bottom," in which governments engage in a downward spiral of taxation abd regulation in orfer to try to keep one step ahead of other countries. All countries lose in the end, since all end up losing the tax revenues and regulations needed to manage the economy. The biggest loser ends up being internationally immobile labor, which is likely to face higher taxation to compensate for the loss of taxation on capital.

Jeffrey Sachs, The Price of Civilization, 2011.

#1.2 Next to nothing, from what's been on display -- no ideas, no plans, a bunch a of no-nos.

When you vote Republican, you do so on faith (or ideology or principle), not on ideas or a plan. The plan is always the same: get government out of the way (by starving it's appetite for revenue). Republicans view our current state not as a temporary recession, or depression, but as the way things are going to be: a future where we cannot afford even to maintain our common infrastructure. It would be unnecessary to cut spending so deeply, if you had faith that the economy would rebound, restoring the government's tax base.

The Republicans are acting like the excesses of the last 12 years (all the way back to Enron) did not happen, and that we had no economic crisis in 2008. If the Republicans want to be credible, they must address the policies that led to our economic collapse, not just be critical of the efforts to contain the damage. What do they offer that is different than what we had before 2008?

If the Republican policies of the last 12 years had led to prosperity, no one would be complaining about tax cuts, because we would be able to pay for them (tax revenues would not be an issue). In the meantime, we must eliminate those things that have most significantly put us in debt. How about letting the "temporary" "Bush" tax cuts expire, until such time as we can again afford to lavish the rich with them. Let the tax breaks be triggered by a return to a low unemployment rate.

You're correct, "the train left the station a long time ago", but I have decided that these folk are really, seriously suffering from the Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Keep in mind that the CPAC is composed of the right-most of the right. Anyone to the left of Glen Beck is a commie. And the current Republical candidates are pandering to this group because they think it will get them votes. What they fail to realize (r don't care about) is that they're preaching to the choir.

I don't think they're going to convert too many moderates that way.

Read through the posts on this seed, or any other and tell me if you believe Democrats are holding on to those core values.

This is a common misunderstanding, often found among Republicans (imagine that).

Compassion and consideration for others has nothing to do with politeness.

Protect those in danger. Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Clothe the naked. Shelter the homeless. Teach the ignorant. Employ the idle. And do all this valuing each person's contributions fairly and equitably, respecting each person's right to live their life in accordance with their own beliefs and values rather than yours while still enjoying all the benefits society offers to its members, and seeking not to elevate yourself at the expense of others. That's compassion and consideration for others.

Political correctness was created to help rednecks know how to refer to people of color.

The majority of hot headed and hateful commentary I see on the 'vine comes from the Left, so maybe that anger management course needs to be Bi-Partisan.

Any criticism of the policies (which in my case, also applies to many policies of "W", in some cases, they are the SAME failed policies) of President Obama, no matter how legitimate, results in a deluge of Middle School worthy anger, complete with childish names for every public person and sometimes vine member that the poster disagrees with. In all but the rarest cases, there is no legitimate rebuttal, only an elitist attitude along the lines that if you don't fall in lock step with some of the failed and failing extremist policies of "leaders" like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, you're some type of nut.

That's the ugly truth, but of course I expect plenty of disagreement, and maybe a name or two (I'll get into the double standards applied to the CoH on another thread) !!!

Signed, Politically Independent Combat Veteran.

The majority of hot headed and hateful commentary I see on the 'vine comes from the Left, so maybe that anger management course needs to be Bi-Partisan.

And the majority of hateful commentary that -I- see comes from the right.

The right says his wife is fat, his children are ugly, his ears are too big, he's a socialist-Marxist-Nazi-Kenyan-Muslim, he's attempting to dismantle the Second Amendment, he's trying to take away everyone's guns, he wants everyone on food stamps, he wants to turn us into a third world country, and last but not least, he actually believes there are 57 states.

So...which of those hateful accusations come from the left?

Oh, that's right, none of them.

That is the ugly truth. 8)

FLYNAVY1

Considering that the Pubs have nothing to run on, what else do they have in their holster than their negativity?

Yup...

"Emptiest holster in the west!"

---Hawkeye Pierce

xrayspex we see a Tea Partier how wants to be Independent.

Anyone go read any number, hundreds perhaps of threads on this website and then come back and tell me Republicans are the only ones with attitudes.

The majority of hot headed and hateful commentary I see on the 'vine comes from the Left

Which only confirms how much you actually see - obviously not muc.

Which only confirms how much you actually see - obviously not muc.

So I wanna make absolutely certain I'm understanding this statement correctly:

DWILLIE, is this statement you made meant to infer that you're claiming there is not a lot of hotheaded, hateful commentary from the left on Newsvine?

There is a lot of such commentary from both sides, including from you, drummerboy. Umbrage is the ultimate currency on the vine and some pretend that it's always the other side that is the source. Such persons engage in duplicity and hypocrisy in order to place themselves in victim status. I make no inference. I frankly don't know what ideology posts more aggressively and couldn't give a $hit. Most importantly, neither does anyone else. To state otherwise is to engage in blatant mendacity in the puerile hope of rhetorical advantage.

dwillie,

:)

I really like that last sentance.

I appreciated the TEA Party's drawing attention to our nation's fiscal mismanagement (but personally blame it on BOTH parties), but I want absolutely no part of a "party" with the "social conservative" crowd.

I probably could have made a better point just by mentioning that partisan politics, especially on the national level, is a brutal and underhanded business, regardless of the party involved.

Trying to say one party's "anger", low blows or untruths are better than the other misses the point that it's high time we drain the Bi-Partisan swamp that is U.S. partisan politics, with the first step to pulling the plug on this cesspool being to do something about the horrible Citizens United ruling !!

I think the disconnect regarding the "hot-headed" advocacy between one side and another has a lot to do with difference in perceptions regarding what each side represents. For example, Democrats advocate for compassion and consideration for others, while Republicans advocate for self-preservation, self-gratification, and self-enrichment. Republicans are likely to perceive even that as "hot-headed" advocacy against them, when it is simply, from a Democrat's perspective, a rather staid, somewhat dispassionate overview.

Sometimes it goes beyond a difference of perceptions, to the nature of the advocacy itself. On social issues, Republicans deliberately and intentionally seek to impose their views on everyone, while Democrats seek to foster true freedom of belief where no one's body, family, home or church is subjugated to the preferences of others or subjugated to religious beliefs and values other than that which they choose to subscribe to themselves. The only way Republicans can defend their intention, therefore, is to attack the beliefs and values of others. They have no choice but to be abusive.

Another aspect of this is the relative irrelevance of what many voters want to what political candidates rightfully should be in the business of promising. Last night, in another thread, a poster very convincingly made the point that the government doesn't really have the ability to control the economy, doesn't have the ability to switch us from recession to prosperity. That's not a matter of the two sides obstructing each other from getting anything done - but rather that the economy operates to a great extent independent of government actions, and so all a President can do is influence things a bit. That is not what voters want to hear. They don't want candidates promising to tweak, or promising to apply pressure, or promising to making very minor direct improvements. This conflict between the unreasonable expectations the American voter has on government and the reality of what government can actually do, at best, fosters what probably can be described as an escalation in the temperature of rhetoric, as each side works to say what they know the voters want to hear, while both sides know that they're being forced by the voters' unreasonable expectations to essentially lie. If you're already unshackled from the truth by circumstance, then going from there to hotter and hotter rhetoric, to keep parity with your opponent who is doing the same, is a no-brainer.

Walt,

Good point.

ha ha ha.

Teabag speak. I got it from McSpocky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCqQRflUWd4

drummerboy2011

Which only confirms how much you actually see - obviously not muc.

So I wanna make absolutely certain I'm understanding this statement correctly:

DWILLIE, is this statement you made meant to infer that you're claiming there is not a lot of hotheaded, hateful commentary from the left on Newsvine?

Like this?

drummerboy2011

Perhaps she's been watching the original pit bull looking bitch Nancy Pelosi.

#2.57 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM CST

http://robertbartholomew.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/04/10316553-gov-jan-brewer-recall-papers-filed-today?threadId=3337430&commentId=62493880#c62493880

drummerboy2011 just got owned.

I got owned?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I NEVER claimed one time there is not hotheaded hateful commentary on the Vine, by lots of people including myself. Or can you show me where I have EVER made a claim I don't get hotheaded or make nasty comments from time to time. My POINT, the point the lot of you don't have the integrity to admit, is that it happens and it happens from all sides.

Funny how Dwillie or any of the rest of you can't seem or won't answer the question, instead resorting to lame assed attempts to deflect.

Thanks for clearing up the fact that all of you are not going to step up to the plate and admit what is already common knowledge, your collective silence screams loudly.

your collective silence screams loudly.

Your deflection's much louder.

MY deflection?!?!?!?

MY DEFLECTION?!?

Which one of you has stepped up to the plate and answered my question? YOU Rorschach?

What is the number of the comment in which YOU answered the question I directed at Dwillie?

yeah your deflection

yup that's right

YOUR DEFLECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drummerboy,

With all due respect and a nod to the CoH, in my opinion you're a bit too hotheaded, angry and intent on finding trouble to engage in any further discussion. I'm trying to say that nicely. Enjoy that massive chip on your shoulder. Good day.

C-YA. You're the one who jumped in with both feet when you didn't have to, blame yourself. And you're right, I get extremely passionate when I deal with such hypocrisy and deflection and gang attacks.

As for engaging in discussion, all I've seen you do is gang up with your cronies and try to run me off this thread, so please spare me the self righteous attitude.

Best Regards

As for engaging in discussion, all I've seen you do is gang up with your cronies and try to run me off this thread, so please spare me the self righteous attitude.

quit throwing yourself a pity party. they are pretty accurate observations about your posting considering your constant use of vulgarity.

remember how in another seed you demanded i give you a yes or no answer whether a video creator's interpretation about a vague statement was right or wrong.

and i explained to you that doing so is impossible since it is a personal opinion about a vague statement and there cannot be a right or wrong answer and you responded with vulgarity?

quit throwing yourself a pity party

Calling it like it is is not throwing a pity party, it's calling it like it is.

they are pretty accurate observations about your posting considering your constant use of vulgarity.

You, just like Walt and everyone else here, has a profanity filter, perhaps you should use it. I've already admitted my fault in this area, move on and get over it.

As for you're quoting me on other seeds, you're right, I asked you a yes or no question and you dodged it and are STILL dodging it. I asked you if you are claiming a video is false. And you're dancing around it using every deflection you can come up with to simply not answer yes or no, when the fact of the matter is, is that it's not that hard of a question, you either believe the video is real or you do not.

Nuff Said