Anonymous Insane Racist Internet Troll Turns Out To Be Florida GOP Politician

That sounds like real Independents to me. Vote policy and candidate over Party and loyalty? I think we need more independents, especially from the right wing...

I think we need more independents, especially from the right wing...

What we need from the right wing is a little bit of sanity.

I know...hope springs eternal.

I think we need more independents, especially from the right wing...

IMO, over half of the country falls somewhere within or near the definition of "independent". There are a lot of socially liberal fiscal conservatives out here...and we can't vote straight ticket with either party without holding our noses or heavy sighs.

It's fun to watch the uber-left progressives dismiss us as morons and idiots and call us their litany of other names. It certainly primes us for a rabid sense of intense cooperation...lol.../endsarc

What we need from the right wing is a little bit of sanity.

What they need most in "Maturity." Sanity without maturity still synthesizes stupidity.

There are a lot of socially liberal fiscal conservatives out here

The reverse of that is true as well.

I think "independents" are generally Republicans who are sensible enough to know it's offensive, but not strong enough to help themselves.

Good hypothesis, feliznavidad. No way to test it, though.

I wasn't so clear in #2.5. What I meant was that there are a lot of fiscally conservative, socially liberal voters out there.

There are a lot of "independents" on the Vine who rabidly defend conservatives and conservative values.

I think one reason it might seem that way is the Vine starts out very Left. Look at the more popular seeds. A huge number of them are about how outrageous something was that someone on the Right did or said. So these seeds start off with "Look at what those wascally Wepublicans are up to now!" You don't see too many stories here that start off as critical of a liberal media outlet or politician, so there isn't much opportunity to "defend" them.

So context matters. People label me as conservative on here, but if you took a look at the policies I endorse (socialized medicine, for example) or even just the life I lead (why, some of my best friends are black!), I don't think you would say that. Usually, you'll find me pushing back against some extreme point of view or contrived outrage, which is the genesis of so many seeds.

there is a bit difference in saying you are independant but have a conservative mindset and having a nick like

independantcentristvoteraverageamerican who spews crap like OMG barry santos the muslim who wasnt born in the US is going to ban fishing. You KNOW they are here.

My personal opinion is

If someone says they are Independant, they are sitting on the fence.

If the candidates are Rep & Dem runing for president, than the independant will vote for one or the other, hence they aren't an independant.

Only if there were 3 parties running for pres could the independant claim to be an independant

Being an independent means that you aren't going to be loyal to either side. You can choose to vote for the best person (or lesser weasel) and have no qualms about being a traitor to "your side".

If someone says they are Independant, they are sitting on the fence.

More often then not they are just deceitful conservatives trying to establish a facade of impartiality and will always argue pro-conservative… always.

If not then you're right MJL-3 and they shouldn’t even be in the discussion if they don’t have a position.

In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams

Daniel A. Hallo: I agree. Every so called independent I have knowledge of, claimed such, due to the particular environment or venue of the moment. Check their historical positions, and they're bigoted on 90% of the usual issues. A few though, wait on a more positive feeling of probability of success of any particular candidate. Some honestly do not wish to vote for a loser.

• I support flushing DOMA and supported ending DADT.
• I am all for gay marriage.
• I want the Government out of healthcare, I don't really believe in entitlement programs (and I know Social Security isn't one, nor are some parts of Medicare).
• I want the border secured by any and all means necessary, and anyone not here legally escorted home.
• Big believer in decriminalizing and legalizing certain plants.
• I support scrapping the current tax code, broadening the tax base and reducing income taxes for the people currently paying them, and the Government spending much, much less.
• The inheritance or death tax should just die.
• Legal medical procedures should remain legal and the Government has no role in any woman's uterus.
• What do I believe in most strongly of all? Campaign finance reform, term limits, and publicly financed elections. I want all corporate money out of politics (including Unions). "Citizens United" didn't do 95% of what the progressive uber-left thinks it did...lol

Yeah, if anyone can figure out a way to shove all that into a tiny box marked solely with either (D) or (R), let me know. Best of luck.

Like most Americans - guess what - my views are not defined by a single party, and no single party supports all my views - including some of which that are so diametrically opposed with the "party platform" to make it impossible to vote according to it. That's why I/we refer to ourselves as...well...independents. Rationalize and justify your moral existence and political choice (or, honestly - the lack thereof) all you like, but these are just really simple facts.

You're a Libertarian. And you will always vote Republican or not at all. Not like most Americans, Just diverse like all people are…

"Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, Liberals and Serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, Whigs and Tories, Republicans and Federalists, Aristocrats and Democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last one of Aristocrats and Democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all." -- Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 1824.

Libertarians are not included because they are below Minority status and lived in the woods back then trapping beaver.

You're a Libertarian. And you will always vote Republican or not at all.

I guess my voting record would make your attempt to describe my activities completely wrong, because I have voted for quite a few Democrats in my day (and I'm become *more* socially liberal as I age, not *less* socially liberal). Do you really think there are a large population of non-voters on Newsvine?

You may be right about the (L), it would be nice if there was a viable national Libertarian candidate. Until then, well, "Independent of any major political party or their platform" is how I'll be forced to continue to describe my political desires and wishes.

Many of us - for the sake of expediency - just choose to say "independent".

You're a Libertarian. And you will always vote Republican or not at all. Not like most Americans, Just diverse like all people are…

Libertarian does not me vote republican or don't vote. It may mean vote for a third party candidate, which is our right.

Besides, libertarians tend to be more liberal than the current fascists in the republican and democratic parties.

I guess my voting record would make your attempt to describe my activities completely wrong, because I have voted for quite a few Blue Dog Democrats

LOL.

Besides, libertarians tend to be more liberal than the current fascists in the republican and democratic parties.

UNDERSTANDING LIBERTARIAN MORALITY

Abstract
Libertarians are an increasingly vocal ideological group in U.S. politics, yet they are

understudied compared to liberals and conservatives. Much of what is known about libertarians is based on the writing of libertarian intellectuals and political leaders, rather than surveying libertarians in the general population. Across three studies, 15 measures, and a large web-based sample (N = 152,239), we sought to understand the morality of self- described libertarians. Based on an intuitionist view of moral judgment, we focused on the underlying affective and cognitive dispositions that accompany this unique worldview. We found that, compared to liberals and conservatives, libertarians show 1) stronger endorsement of individual liberty as their foremost guiding principle and correspondingly weaker endorsement of other moral principles, 2) a relatively cerebral as opposed to emotional intellectual style, and 3) lower interdependence and social relatedness. Our findings add to a growing recognition of the role of psychological predispositions in the organization of political attitudes.

An easy way to visualize a libertarian compared to the other 2 is to look at the 4 quadrant graph on political compass.

When have we met, Mr. Hallo?

Absolutely - silence on something like this = consent in my book. It goes both ways with both parties.

If one cannot objectively look at the actions and behavior of Rev Sharpton and Rev Jackson over the years and describe their actions as "racist" or "based solely on race" - or one silently accepts/looks the other way when they go off on another racially motivated tantrum...well, maybe that's why the other side justifies doing the same thing.

It's all irrational fear-based (and learned) human behavior, and sickens (independent) me too. When has anyone ever seen a bunch of babies or toddlers displaying racist behavior? lol...

it's the southern strategy. the dixiecrats. we had a recent wave of dixiecrats last presidential election, but these were McCaincrats - pretenders of Democratic values, but when push came to shove they just couldn't support Obama, and say they saw McCain as being closer to Hillary than Obama, so they switched support to McCain. I was amazed at how many people told me that, and I think they somehow believed it (or fooled themselves into believing it)

Perhaps even sadder, republicans know who the racists are within their midst, but in the name of party loyalty and the quest for victory, they say and do nothing

And you think the Democrats don't?

It's all irrational fear-based (and learned) human behavior, and sickens (independent) me too. When has anyone ever seen a bunch of babies or toddlers displaying racist behavior? lol...

Actually, sorry to say that a recent scientific study of toddlers and pre-schoolers as reported within the past 6 months in the NY Times demonstrates that children of that age naturally gravitate toward those with similar skin color and believe those of their "color" to be more friendly, sharing and intelligent that those of the others. The study showed that there is a natural tendency for children to feel a higher comfort level with "their own" and that this inherent bias is something that can only be conquered by positive experiences with those of other colors or by conditioning in the home. I do not in any way consider myself racist or biased, but this study was a real eye-opener and a clear message that, if we are truly to enter a "post-racist" era, a lot of hard work needs be done.

And you think the Democrats don't?

Actually, no I don't think the Democrats don't. Principally because the political ideology of liberals and Democrats is, by its very nature, far more open, inclusive, accepting and fundamentally non-racial than that of the Teapublikans. We are far more inclined to expose and exclude racists in our midst than are Teapublikans because we are far less hypocritical and far more true to true American ideals - including the concept of a "melting pot" society, - than are Teapublikans. And I think that history - recent and otherwise - indisputably bears that out.

dwillie, and they can't understand why the majority of African-Americans aren't buying their bs. The racists and bigots have taken over their party. I'm an African-American woman and an Independent and they aren't appealing to me at all.

Holly, republicans/conservatives have values, really, no @!$%# I mean really? I did not know that.

I mean I know they value money, portfolios, lies, cowards, idiots, etc, but they have values too.

Next thing is you want me to believe they are morally superior. And, just fair warning, I'll have to throw the BS flag on that...

I'm throwing the bull$hit flag on the "they do it too" and the false equivalency gambit. No doubt Revs. Sharpton & Jackson have been aggressive advocates on behalf of black Americans, their activism for economic fairness and social justice is decidedly not racist and just because someone is tired of hearing their advocacy doesn't make what they do racist. The only demonstration I remember that approaches racial animosity was Rev. Jackson's stupid "hymietown" comment for which he was excoriated by liberals and conservatives alike and for which he very publicly apologized.

dwillie, and they can't understand why the majority of African-Americans aren't buying their bs. The racists and bigots have taken over their party.

Actually, Janice, all the proof one needs is to look at the most visible African-American Teapublikans. The four that most readily come to mind are Clarence Thomas, Allan West, Allan Keys and Herman Cain. Now, I cannot think of one of those clowns who has any record of standing up for his race or promoting any policies that are designed to improve the lives of black people. Actually to the contrary. Each one either avoids his blackness or is obviously self-hating by his public personna and pronouncements. They are simply lawn jockeys on their massa's lawn, and deserved to be shunned by any African-American who takes the advancement of his or her race in the face of 400 years of slavery and prejudice seriously.

Hetep and Respect Carloz,

And if more of them did call the racists out, the racists wouldn't feel so comfortable in the party. Accurately or not, the silence is interpreted as agreement.

If we are to have to Parties that are useful to the American people the challenge is how do get the decent Republican's to get rid of the bad actors?

I think getting a 99%er type constitutional amendment that takes money out of politics is part of the answer.

Yes. I'm sick to death of the "the left does it too mime." First of all, if it's wrong, it's wrong. So admit it and clean your own house. But the truth is, the left did all the fighting for Civil Rights, and the republicans today are doing everything they can to roll it back -- hence the push on by republicans to disenfranchise voters, especially people of color. As to the "minority" of republicans being racist -- dream on. The entire south moved away from the democratic party because of the party's leadership on Civil Rights. There's a reason why the states carried by McCain/Palin were the old confederacy. The "southern strategy" outlined by Trick Dick Nixxon is to blatantly use racism to win elections. It is the same today. There is a steady drumbeat of not-so-subtle racism which the TGOPers are swayin' too. The whole point of the Cain pseudo-candidacy is to provide a cover for it. You don't think the skin heads were following Palin because they wanted to see Russia from her porch, do you?

dwillie: republicans know who the racists are within their midst, but in the name of party loyalty and the quest for victory, they say and do nothing

Carloz: Accurately or not, the silence is interpreted as agreement.

Rob: silence on something like this = consent in my book.

there is, of course, legal (?) standing that "silence implies consent".

was GOP needed in the title, isn't it obvious with the lead in

Principally because the political ideology of liberals and Democrats is, by its very nature, far more open, inclusive, accepting and fundamentally non-racial than that of the Teapublikans. We are far more inclined to expose and exclude racists in our midst than are Teapublikans because we are far less hypocritical and far more true to true American ideals - including the concept of a "melting pot" society, - than are Teapublikans.

Wow! I'm surprised that the entire world population isn't liberal democrats.

Republican leaders are used to telling their constituents any lie, and have that lie be accepted. Therefore they get angry when the democrats call them out on their lies and racist behavior......

I wasnt the first to say this but IT is true that a MAJORITY of republicans are NOT bigots, but it is also true that a MAJORITY of bigots ARE republicans.

May the memory of Harvey LeRoy "Lee" Atwater remain eternal.

And you think the Democrats don't?

The dems haven't heard they they and the repubs are one party now. I wonder what will help them get over their denial. There are plenty of dem racist too.

I think that the Racism is the oldest form of political control and it starts with ignorance and xenophobia. After stating this obvious, I know that some of the Republican party resort to extortion for political favors. I think that outing of the Racism is calculated. Though I am not sure if its to embarrass or embolden?.

That why with all this criminality in the Republican party,you can hardly find is surprising with the Cuckoo brain ideas that come up in the GOP.

Yes Johny, after thousands of years of despotic rule, the Right learned all the tricks of manipulation.

The dems haven't heard they they and the repubs are one party now.

Another foolish TP talking point designed to con liberal leaning people who are feeling helpless in the face of corporatist political chicanery that everything is hopeless and that there is no point in going to the polls.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Get out there and vote down the greedy theives, vote out the lackeys of corporate manipulation. Take money out of politics once and for all, restore democracy.

@3.23 Do what you do best, I've always heard.

Re-reg troll sighting in 3.23. Do not feed.

undertaker8001

Look up the word ‘Liberal” It’s not a hard word to understand.

Being a Liberal is not an ideology it’s something you are, or you're not.

Being a conservative is just being reactionary.

Gentlemen:

The liberal sentiment towards each other which marks every political and religious denomination of men in this country stands unrivalled in the history of nations. The affection of such a people is a treasure beyond the reach of calculation; and the repeated proofs which my fellow citizens have given of their attachment to me, and approbation of my doings form the purest source of my temporal felicity. The affectionate expressions of your address again excite my gratitude, and receive my warmest acknowledgements.G. Washington { January, 1790}

You will off Newsvine by tomorrow.

Wow the undertaker just got buried! I'm not sure what he said but I'm sure he didn't follow the rules. I won't be sending flowers. Nice work Sally! :-)

#3.34: I'm not sure what he said but I'm sure he didn't follow the rules.

Let's just say that his comments were vile. His banning comes as no surprise.

No doubt. I think Sally is cool for doing it! I totally missed the comments.

Ehhhh don't worry about it he's probably from Florida, possibly a politician!:)

"Clintons rapes"???

Methinks the commenter doesn't feel some of the out-of-marriage sexual activity the man participated in/initiated was totally consentual. In some states, yep - you guessed it...they refer to that sort of behavior as "rape".

black folks are not buying it? really? what was the % of the black vote for obama? around 95%? maybe higher. spider, you need to leave this web and head on over to fox where they will believe the tangled web you weave.

SPIDER: This black folk isn't buying your BS either.

Let's not forget that when the KKK was formed in the 1860's, Democrats were the conservatives and Republicans, were liberal.

I read the BS rant and got completely sidetracked.

Where's the GOP outrage for this guy's behavior? Why isn't he being called out by the right wing? Admonished? Sanctioned?

Hmmm.

Black folk have been hoodwinked and promised many things which never materialized. The first "Black" president (who by the way is 50% White) has done more for white gay folk and hispanic folk than any Black folk except of course Michelle's family and friends they take on those billion dollar jaunts to foreign lands.

Obama and Michelle are never freakin seen in da HOOD! NEVER! It's bad enough that GW Bush did not visit the HOOD, even though there were no votes there, but the Messiah? The Black POTUS? The man of HOPE and CHANGE? WHen is the last time you saw a story in the Washington Compost, Chi Town Triburinal or NPR about the Obama's coming to inner city aid?

Never! They NEVER go to the inner city and be with the folk who voted for 'em. I say throw this phoney two faced liar out of the White House and get someone in there, no matter which race, who want to help America's downtrodden, be them White lower class folk in West Virginia or Pittsburg or Black folk in Detroit or family farmers in Missouri and Mississippi!

Who you white folk tryin' to fool here? Okay, maybe some of you be Black, and your pain is understood, but Barack Obama aint doing a DAMN THING for your PEOPLE. NOTHIN'

If the Black Spider were elected POTUS, the first two acts would be to bring prosperity to the Native American and Black peoples of America, the hell with Wall street and MEHICO!

I've had enough with this pandering and lyin about who cares about po folk and all that crap!

Wall Street and Global Bankers own Obama. High paid union workers and billionaires fund his campaigns, while education, health care and housing for ALL of us suffers. This man is a globalist and has no clue about American Exceptionalism. All he does is go around apologizing and bowing to sheiks and shamans while suffering from a lack of leadership at home, unable to formulate solutions to economic problems due to his ingrained upbringing in Marxism, redistributionism and anti-American rhetoric.

Absolutely, aeonpax! But the gop welcomed those Dems with open arms during the Civil Rights era, and we all know what became of the party thereafter.

They'll deny it to their dying breath, but the truth is there.

If the Black Spider were elected POTUS, the first two acts would be to bring prosperity to the Native American and Black peoples of America, the hell with Wall street and MEHICO!

What's the matter, spider, can't remember the third thing you'd do?

lol, lmao, rotheflmao.......did black spider bite itself, it sounds delirious

Third act? The most important act would be a Constitutional Amendment for a Balanced Federal Budget. In this way, the clowns, drug addicts and gold diggers on Capitol Hill will be forced to either put up or get the hell outta town.

Fourth act: abolish the IRS. Establish a national sales tax which raises only enough funds to balance the budget.

Fifth act: abolish the Fiat money system and revert back to the Gold Standard

Sixth act: get the military out of the business of world cop, re-evaluate military spending, particularly in waste, fraud, lobbyists, unnecessary weaponry and modernize the Navy and cut the Army in half size and bring the troops home from 124 countries.

Seventh act: Put a man on Mars in ten years and increase Federal spending on research by 300%. This can easily be funded by eliminating non-productive regulatory bureaucracies.

Eight act: No earmarks will be signed into law.

Ninth act: no liberal anti-American pro-Marxist judges on the SCOTUS.

Tenth act: Compulsory military or Peace Corps type commitment for all immigrants and natural citizens upon reaching age 18. 3 year commitment.

Eleventh act: Eliminate all campaign contributions from PACS, unions. Only individual citizens and limit to $5,000 per candidate per year. In addition, use FCC to force all cable and OTA TV stations to have offer 15 minute political ads for candidates in elections (after the primaries). Each candidate gets 15 minutes every six hours. There is no charge. This will eliminate much of campaign costs, leaving incumbents to perform their jobs, not spend 25% of their time on campaigning.

Twelfth act: enact a worker's rights law that allows paid vacation of at least four weeks per years to all full time employees and pro-rated for part timers.

Thirteenth act: all countries we do business with must have a democratically elected congress and abide by our labor and environmental laws. Otherwise, we dont buy their goods. If they want to purchase our goods, only non-military goods.

Let's not forget the fact that the KKK was created by Democrats.

Lincoln was opposed by Democrats.

You clearly haven't read up on the history of the southern "democrats". Ever hear of "The Southern Strategy"? Check it out. Here's a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

I think BLACK SPIDER is actually Herman Cain.Sounds like some of the same stupid sh*t he would say.Herman,is that you?

chi, I was actually thinking the same thing (is that actually Cain?) given the wording and such.

But the gop welcomed those Dems with open arms during the Civil Rights era, and we all know what became of the party thereafter.

The party that changed was the Democratic Party, and to an extent, the Republican party has been split into two groups ever since Reagan. This idea that Republicans are racists and Democrats are little angels is so silly it could only come from desperate morons.

The Democrats are now anti-Capitalist redistributionist oligarchs funded and controlled by globalist billionaires. The Republicans? Half of them have caved into the political correctness demands of post Vietnam politics (Democrat - Light), the other half have gone into an Evangelical state whereby the main issues are abortion and religion.

Which is better? None. Both are screwed up and it shows quite well as millions of jobs go overseas, the prisons are crowded with illegals and non-violent drug violators, the educational system is run by crooked bureaucrats, the military industrial complex drains the treasury with useless wars, nation-building and world cop bullcrap.

GW Bush and Obama spent enough money on failed bankers and Wall street frauds to provide free health care to all of our people for 20 years.

And people continue to vote for this garbage.... yes, we are getting dumber by the minute.

Now exacerbate this with a demoralized porn addicted culture of narcissism, materialism and cheating in the universities and you get a people in a state of decline.

It's all the history book folks, read your history of Rome, Greece, Persia, Ottoman, China, India, Aztecs, Mayans, whatever, the bottom line:

WE TEND TO FAIL TO UNDERSTAND THE LESSONS LEARNED BY HISTORY AND REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER>>>>> it's called:

The Human Condition.

OK Carlos, I got off topic in my teaching function. We are here to learn. So let me ask you a question:

If this person were a libertarian or socialist, would you be writing this column?

I feel a sense of hatred of conservatives and religious people, particularly Christians in most of your writings. Why are you so angry Carlos?

What causes you to focus on racism and Christianity? It appears that you are having a time with your past and need to open your mind of thoughts in a cyber psychological chat room that resides in the NAND states within digital circuits and magnetic traces in our hard drives and servers.

If you are desiring people to follow your angry rants about Republicans, Christians and so forth in order to find other dysfunctional souls with a need to explode on other people with personal vendettas, you must realize this is all in cyber space, only in computer memory.

It would be better for you to engage in these activities in a real-time face-to-face therapeutic environment with other like or non-like minded folk in order to seek the truth and find happiness you so desire.

I have never seen spider up the wall this high before. It is usually one post and gone. I disagree with most of your ideas, but nice to hear them.

spideer--- Through all your pages of research, you forgot the part that says, America prospers more, when we have a "Democratic President"........... O' my bad, 1 repub - Dick Nixson........

Obviously , black spider and others are ignorant on party history.

Those democrats that started the KKK ? are todays republicans.

think of it this way , simply put , the type of people remained the same but they traded party hats.

Those Republicans that fought for equal rights are todays democrats.

a bit of history -

showing the difference between the then democrats and now. democrat then didn't mean what it does now. Same holds true for republican. Then republican were all for civil rights and equality. the roles remain the same but the names have changed. the bulk that hated and were/are KKK are still located mainly in the south and vote republican.

In Louisiana the Democratic convention resolved that "we hold this to be a Government of White People, made and to be perpetuated for the exclusive benefit of the White Race, and....that the people of African descent cannot be considered as citizens of the United States." Mississippi and Florida in particular enacted vicious black codes, other southern states (except North Carolina) passed somewhat less severe versions, and President Andrew Johnson did nothing to prevent them from being enforced.
These laws and the violence that erupted against blacks and union supporters in the South outraged Northerners who just a few months before had celebrated victory not only over the Confederacy, but its system of slavery as well. In protest of the defiant Black Codes, Congress refused to seat the new Southern senators and representatives when it reconvened in December 1865 after a long recess. Thus at the moment the fledgling Klan was born in Pulaski, the stage was set for a showdown between Northerners determined not to be cheated out of the fruits of their victory and die-hard Southerners who refused to give up their supremacy over blacks.
Ironically, the increasingly violent activities of the Klan throughout 1866 tended to help prove the argument of Radical Republicans in the North, who wanted harsher measures taken against Southern governments as part of their program to force equal treatment for blacks. Partly as a result of news reports of Klan violence in the South, the Radicals won overwhelming victories in the Congressional elections of 1866

http://www.iupui.edu/~aao/kkk.html

A new survey by the University of Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race & Sexuality offers fresh insight into the racial attitudes of Tea Party sympathizers. "The data suggests that people who are Tea Party supporters have a higher probability"—25 percent, to be exact—"of being racially resentful than those who are not Tea Party supporters," says Christopher Parker, who directed the study. "The Tea Party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race."
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/04/25/are-tea-partiers-racist.html

2010 Multi-state Survey on Race & Politics
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html

Riply8

Yep the KKK and the GOP go hand in hand it is a FACT , not fiction.

Look at Norquist, ALEC. Very racists groups and they run the GOP

Those democrats that started the KKK ? are todays republicans.

think of it this way , simply put , the type of people remained the same but they traded party hats.

Those Republicans that fought for equal rights are todays democrats.

Yes. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? Amazing.

Imagine the fake Democrats that ran in Wisconsin on a grand scale.. Winning.

The Democratic Party taken over by Blue Dogs…

Things would still not by as they started out because thats what happen twice now, the Democratic party starred out as a Liberal caucus fighting for the Bill of Rights, in 1790ish.

Thanks Herman Cain Black Spider, You forgot to mention " The stupid people are running america"

This admission says it all, "High paid union workers"

Thats the big problem?. Not the 1% of upper management office jockeys and arm chair generals from bozoville.

I wish in the GOP the journalist would ask the candidates if they are on newsvine.

Yes. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand?

because it's factual, historical, ... educated; all things anathema to Republicans.

btw, black spider, interesting little avatar you've got there.

and the uncropped original.

Tom

wouldn't that be a violation of using someones logo or trademark????

Spider

I would have been a proud Lincoln republican...in 1860. I would have joined has radical liberal cause to challenge the conservative Democrats, the party of interposition. nullification and slavery. At the very least I would be a war democrat, those democrats in the south that opposed confederacy and slavery.

I have no problem ending voting for Democrats tomorrow, if Republicans had a more progressive planck . I would have been a republican for Lincoln Roosevelt or Eisenhower.

This is because I will walk away from conservatism, as African Americans did from the republican party when they aligned with southern conservative democrats starting in the 1930's.

Lincoln fought Intolerance, exclusivity, confederation. That was everything the southern conservative democrats were for back then, and it is everything republicans are for now. Look a the pictures of those Lynching in the south...they were no dandy liberals, they were hardcore cons. You put undue stock in Party lines and ignore political realignments that have occured...

Nice racist Picture you have as your avatar, race relations seem sooooo important to you(Irony...Dripping)

The only political terms to follow in History are "Liberal and Conservative," and even they have changed terms, In the days of the Founders Liberals promoted Democratic- Republicanism,… the conservatives were called monocrats, Loyalist, Tory.., but that is the essence in all politics of the world and this dichotomy will never change.

wouldn't that be a violation of using someones logo or trademark????

well, "original" in the sense that that's where he grabbed it from, but even that was taken from somewhere else and the "Monkey Boy" text added on it.

i'm sure it falls under the Fair Use doctrine, as he isn't using it for profit or marketing, but could hinge on whether the owner disagreed with it's use (and i'm doubting that another racist, assuming the guy behind Fixitnow.com is one, too, would) and could still raise a legal fuss over it.

a lot of people's avatars online aren't photos of themselves or ones which they took or images they produced or are royalty-free images, so as long as the legal owner doesn't feel infringed upon (or the website the avatar is on feels at risk), it's generally overlooked.

Black Spider

Excellent, posts!

back to My Tall Iced Tea & Stogey

wow, how many days did it take you to come up with that gem?

@!$%#, you must have had the entire GOP candidate field working 26/9 on it

is it Comm, because we communicate? Is it comm because its a community? is it comm because we have common interests

gotme!! must be Rick Perry. Come on, Don't be shy.

Poor, poor gotme!!. He/she waits around 60 posts to jump in and say something and this is the best he/she can offer. Sad. So sad. Well, at least we all got a laugh break from the serious $hit going on here.

is it Comm, because we communicate? Is it comm because its a community? is it comm because we have common interests

it's "comm" because most of us have some common sense, not to mention decency.

Founded in 1884, 8 Pulitzer prizes. So, maybe they seem to be creditable.

i'll accept the fact that someone -- even someone calling him-/herself a reporter -- may not have ever heard of the St. Pete Times, altho being from Florida, it of course seems odd, but naturally, the conservative so-called "logic" of this escapes me. i.e., even if they're not credible as a newspaper, this is stuff going on on their own comments section. it doesn't take a lot of journalism know-how to look at some troll's registration info and/or IP address coming from the county commission's office.

oh, wait; the "logic" dawned on me: by credible, could he/she mean do they lean right or not?

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edit: actually, Reporter seems more like an advertiser: on since September, posted an article on 9/19, then nothing until 2 Seeds and 2 Articles yesterday, all on real estate. the above is her sole comment.

Oooh, good investigative reporting, T'omm.

meh. i just looked at her 'Vine column, not as if i've found out a racist troll is actually a county commissioner or that Socrates1 is a Massachussite. ;)

LOL....... lol...... you are so right. This place is full of freaking fools !!!!!!!

Lynn and Jacqlyn

Both absolutely correct!!!!!!

A lot of this is bred on the internet. If the shoe fits:

Folie à deux (English pronunciation: /fɒˈli ə ˈduː/, from the French for "a madness shared by two") (or shared psychosis) is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief are transmitted from one individual to another. The same syndrome shared by more than two people may be called folie à trois, folie à quatre, folie en famille or even folie à plusieurs ("madness of many"). Wikipedia

Yes the water, they are conspiring to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids! Lets see the Soviet Union folded in 1989 so who are they? Hmmmm. [ fill your answer here ] I got nut'n after this.

I am often giving my onions on the Ed Schultz poll questions, and we get this real basket case, that goes by handles like "Can't Wait till 2012" "Political Spectrum" and "Hello American Kitty." The tactics of he/she/or it, is to sign up under multiple names and post as many blogs as they can, usually cut and past from Fox and other right wing sites. The comments are sometimes tweaked to fit the discussions many times not, and are always insulting. Also under the other name will actually make comments praising or reinforcing itself. I often wondered if this was just a lone individual with an agenda, or some tea party group desperately trying to intimidate other blogers and disrupt liberal and Democrat sites.

Viewer, What the hell??????

They are out there lynn!!

They are conspiring to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids!

Don't tell me you don't know where that's from. Or was it the tea party POS that freaked you out.

Hetep and Respect Pat, you were probably right. I think the drugster is many places, including under every rock.

We have other seeds that are similar:

http://smd12364.newsvine.com/_news/2011/11/15/8823746-ill-see-your-rather-odd-viner-and-raise-you-a-really-odd-viner?last=1321661480&threadId=3272837&sp=0&pc=25#last_1

I think the drugster is many places, including under every rock.

Or one of his dittos (under every rock), Hetep and Respect to you, Aunk.

RaisedByWolves

I saw that! Soph gets some real creepy crawlers, doesn't she! Ugh!

That is why she took a vacation and why I've been spending a lot of time on recipe seeds and gardening and kittie seeds! I just can't handle the vitriol any more.

Maybe "Reality" has joined the dicsussion? Or tried to...

Pat, It probably was. Never have I heard anyone as fruitcake as Rush. He starts on a rave almost everyday. If he didn't fund his own network, he would have been long gone. I wish a smart lawyer for the FCC, would figure out a way, to delete his sorry ass so people wouldn't be exposed to his lies. People have said to me, when I tell them what garbage him and FAUX Noise broadcast, "well they couldn't say it on the air if it weren't true." I cannot believe in 2011, that people believe that.

People have said to me... "well they couldn't say it on the air if it weren't true."

who are exactly the sort of people Rush, Beck, et al love and depend prey upon. all the right-wing, pasty, basement studio dwellers need is for those people to hear what they've said once.

PS @ Wolves - KITTIES! =^.^=

Gotta love 'em, T'omm I'm the proud mum of two new rescues: litter mates now 1.5 years: Sir Miles Davis and Ms. Cleo Laine.

The guy is a gutless bottom-feeder who lacks the courage of his convictions.

Most of your hard core racists are like that. They know the rest of society condemns their thinking, but it's like some kind of perverted porn for them to be secretly hateful.

Maybe, in the olden days of dialup PPP a person's ISP information was visible in the packet frame i.e. if my account at my ISP was 'bondibox@macconnect.com' they might have been able to glean that from a reverse ARP. But cable / dsl is for the most part anonymous - it's one big ethernet WAN without any login or handshake. If you're connected to their network, with one of their modems, and that modem's MAC address is listed in the first hop router, that is your authorization.

Maybe you all are thinking of the IP information, which, nowadays, is "sticky" and you tend to keep the same IP address for months at a time - if you're surfing from home. But you can take a laptop anywhere, any coffee shop, and that IP address might be used by dozens of people at the same time. It's no-go.

But there IS one thing that is distinct. It's your ethernet or wireless card's MAC address. It's hard coded into the hardware and it's very difficult to change. Granted, I could go into the room where the cable modem is and plug an ethernet cable into my laptop and switch from wireless to ethernet, and change my MAC address that way, but I will quickly run out of options.

Combining GeoIP with MAC addresses will give you a very good idea if a user is returning.

Yes, bondibox, what ever you said.(Looked like greek to me.}

But there IS one thing that is distinct. It's your ethernet or wireless card's MAC address. It's hard coded into the hardware and it's very difficult to change. Granted, I could go into the room where the cable modem is and plug an ethernet cable into my laptop and switch from wireless to ethernet, and change my MAC address that way, but I will quickly run out of options.

MAC's are spoofable.

MAC's are spoofable.

True, but the effectiveness of a MAC spoof is mostly limited to the local broadcast domain. Doesn't an intermediary router re-encapsulate the frame? So we're back to the same problem as with IP addresses, a person can "hop" around public wifi spots when changing identities, but that's a lot of effort. If they're staying put they'll trace back through the usual routers. AFAIK you can't spoof your route.

"AFAIK you can't spoof your route."

I agree with you in that, bondibox. I haven't tried changing the MAC address myself, but, I guess it might be doable. But, IMHO, the intellect expressed by those who are re-ergs does not really indicate that they have sufficient intelligence to figure out how to cloak their IP info or change their MAC. But, I could be wrong.

Actually changing the MAC is a lot easier than I first thought, one command line argument and you'e there. You're right, though, and I'm probably educating them.

The thing about IP cloaking is it's really more like IP trading. The TOR application will give you a different IP address, sure, but it gives you a real IP address of another TOR user. I, for one, would never use it, because my reasons for it would be much less nefarious than the person who is now using my IP. I'd get to surf anonymously, and the guy who is using my IP gets to download kiddie porn with my fingerprint. No thanks.

Also, some routers gave you the ability of assigning your own MAC to the router.

bondibox - I agree...unless you are trying to be nefarious there is really no reason to do such things, but, knowing that it can be done can provide knowledge to try and track or prevent it if someone does do it for the wrong reasons. And this may happen more than most of us know.

not99center - Indeed, I have such a router, and I have a home network set up here with several other wireless computers, laptops, netbooks and other devices that use the router, and their MAC addresses are listed in the router.

I don't mean entering the MACs of the devices connecting to the router, I mean assigning the MAC the router itself uses (instead of using the MAC assigned in the network controller).

What about being a fine, upstanding, devout Christian man? Given the language and such that he uses in his posts, obviously, he is too stupid to know that God knows who he is no matter what name he uses where?

Interesting- cheapugboots is a resident Newsvine spammer with a member page listing months of advertising.

I suspect he is on here too, but gets deleted so often we can suss out his message of stupidity.