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DOJ warns Alabama schools on immigration law

Seeded on Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:43 AM EDT
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The Justice Department is intensifying pressure on Alabama schools to abide by federal law that states no child can be denied public education based on his or her immigration status.

In a letter to the state’s school districts on Tuesday, the feds also requested that each district provide information that would shed some light on how Alabama’s tough new immigration law may have effected student enrollment across the state.

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Every Alabama school district was also asked to submit nine sets of data, including the number of students who have withdrawn from school so in the 2010-2011 school year and each of those students’ race, national origin and immigration status.

The requested information must be sent to the Justice Department by Nov. 14, and the school districts were also asked to submit information on student withdrawals and unexplained absences every month here on forward.

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Carloz

Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez said...that according to federal law, no child may be denied schooling on the basis of race, color and national origin, and that the Supreme Court has “concluded that denying innocent children the benefit of schooling provided to other students within the district was unconstitutional.”

It's sad that schools and children are caught in the crossfire on this issue.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 7:45 AM EDT
BostonMan-3128434

It's sad that schools and children are caught in the crossfire on this issue.

It is sad kids are getting stuck in the middle - If only their parents had come to this country legally there would be no issue -

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:22 AM EDT
Carloz

If only the state of Alabama wouldn't expect schools to violate the constitution, and just let them get on with educating.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:27 AM EDT
BostonMan-3128434

If only the federal government would do their job and protect our borders so many states would not have to do it themselves

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:31 AM EDT
aeonpax

BostonMan-3128434

You are a day late and a few dollars short. Deal with reality please, as it is NOW. Illegal immigration has been going on for 50 plus years and was being ignored by both parties when they were in charge of the federal government, with the covert blessings of the business community. Stating the obvious, "If only the federal government would do their job..." adds nothing to the problem...nor does the illegal and blatantly discriminatory practices of Alabama.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 8:56 AM EDT
BostonMan-3128434

Did i say it only one party at fault? Why don't you take your own advise and deal with reality- The reality that for every child there is an illegal immigrant parent - So if we get rid of the parent they take the child with them - How is it discriminatory exactly? Every school district was told to give information on every student - If you are a mexican or an Irish illegal you will be treated the same -

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:12 AM EDT
aeonpax

Did I say you did mentioned any party? I said "both" parties to clearly state what the problem is.

The reality is, that instead of addressing or commenting on the problem "as is", you resort to the "blame game" specifically mentioning the government but totally leaving out the complicity of the business and corporate community which are the ones that have financially benefited from the illegal's labor.

You also failed to address the illegality of what Alabama is doing. If you support what Alabama is doing, then say so...don't beat around the bush. I oppose it.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:39 AM EDT
BostonMan-3128434

Let the government go after employers who hire illegals - I agree 100% - Fine them if they are found to be hiring illegals - No problem there

I support what Alabama is doing - It still has to go to the Supreme Court but it was not ruled unconstitutional

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The 11th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Atlanta consequently ruled to stay parts of the law, including the requirements that schools check students' papers and the mandate the immigrants carry documents of identification proving legal residency at all times.

Following U.S. District Judge Sharon Blackburn's initial ruling upholding parts of the tough immigration law at the end of September, the Alabama Education Department reported that thousands of Hispanic students had stopped showing up in school.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67412.html#ixzz1cYW8B0pk

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:49 AM EDT
More Than Happy

"If only" is not a foundation for good public policy, BostonMan. We have to be pragmatic, and not whine about shoulda, coulda, wouldas.

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT
BostonMan-3128434

Ok so let everyone stay - Then what happens twenty years from now when we have the same issue ?

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:33 AM EDT
More Than Happy

It'll never stop being an issue, BostonMan. Simply expelling illegal immigrants and building a new DMZ along Mexico wouldn't be free, either, it'd cost money just like any other option.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT
aeonpax

BostonMan-3128434 - Let the government go after employers who hire illegals - I agree 100% - Fine them if they are found to be hiring illegals - No problem there

We are in total agreement here.

BostonMan-3128434 - I support what Alabama is doing

We are in total disagreement here.

The court put on hold the most egregious part of the law, which is;

"The 11th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Atlanta stayed the requirements to check the students' papers and mandating immigrants to carry documents at all times proving legal residency."

Two steps forward, one step backwards. That's how you make progress.

  • 2 votes
#1.11 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 6:26 PM EDT
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BostonMan-3128434

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:37 AM EDT
More Than Happy

Try to realize, Alabama, that education creates wealth and is not just some mere expense.

Why is everything compared to some magical fantasy land where illegal immigration doesn't exist? They're here, things are never going back to the way they were!

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
BostonMan-3128434

The reality is we are broke - Our schools are falling behind other countries - If we cannot educate our own citizens why should we take on the burden of educating more?

If their parents are here illegally they are not contributing to the costs of the schools are they ? So your solution is to just ask for more money ? And what of those who came to the country legally? Thanks for following the rules but we are going to allow everyone in whether they did it the right way or not? Why even have borders then if we are just going to throw our hands up and say its ok your parents broke the law - We will take care of you ?

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:01 AM EDT
More Than Happy

Hello again Mr. Rhetorical Question.

We either educate these children, or don't. We can either have future inhabitants that can function in society, or not. We could have more smart people to provide for themselves, or not.

Stop it with the 'broke' crap; it's not as real as advertised.

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:13 AM EDT
BostonMan-3128434

Stop it with the 'broke' crap; it's not as real as advertised.

Tell that to the millions of Americans who are unemployed

We either educate these children, or don't. We can either have future inhabitants that can function in society, or not. We could have more smart people to provide for themselves, or not.

Ok we educate them - Then what? In twenty years we do it all over again ? At some point you have to stop it do we not?

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:35 AM EDT
More Than Happy

These aren't one-time costs, and we're not Haiti. These education costs are the ongoing expenses of society, so stop acting appalled.

I reiterate, education creates wealth. What Alabama is doing, on the other hand, is destroying their economy; entire crops are going unpicked.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT
Sassy79

Your basic grasp of the illegal immigtration issue is astounding. HOWEVER Boston Man- this country was built by immigrants. The Chinese built the railroads that connected the east to the west. The Europeans generally provided the labor to make clothes, steel and other items that made the robber barons richer.

What you fail to realize is many of these immigrant children were born in the US- thus making them citizens and complicating the family dynamics.

Our major issue with immigration is Washington's failure to come up with a system that is fair, balanced and meets the needs of industry and those who utilize immigrant labor.

As for the millions of Americans that are unemployed- go check out Alabama. The farmers can't harvest the crops because the labor has left. One would think American's would be clammer for those jobs picking tomatos, peanuts, lettuce etc...but they aren't. Thus the food rots, the farmers lose money and our food prices go up.

To simplify- An immigrant labor- picked tomato might cost you a buck at the store... a non immigrant labor picked tomato will cost you $5. Our demand for low cost everything is what propels the need for immigrant labor.

Funny thing is Boston man- illegal immigrants pays taxes through rent or buying houses, buying goods in the store, gas for their cars...your assumptions are harming your arguement.

  • 6 votes
#3.5 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 10:51 AM EDT
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Joanna Caroll

The federal law mandating access to primary and secondary education for all children regardless of immigration status of their parents has been on the books for 30 years. While Alabama's legislators are certainly disgraceful, it's not all that surprising considering its hateful, racist past.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Nov 2, 2011 12:10 PM EDT
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