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Poll: Should President Obama appear on The View?

Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:02 AM EDT
politics, obama, the-view, newsvine-poll, live-poll
By Carloz

Live Poll

Should President Obama appear on The View?

View Results
  • 107359
    Yes
    50%
  • 107360
    No
    50%
  • 107361
    Not sure
    1%

VoteTotal Votes: 109

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This past Monday ABC announced that President Barack Obama will join co-hosts Joy Behar, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Whoopi Goldberg, Barbara Walters, and Sherri Shepherd on their daytime talk show, The View. Then the debate started. What do you think? Is this an appropriate program for a sitting President? Should Obama appear on 'The View'?

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Rendell: Obama shouldn't do 'View'

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Carloz

Yes, of course he should! And IMO some people are being rather sexist saying he shouldn't. What do you think?

  • 9 votes
#1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:05 AM EDT
dirtyharriet1010

BO does not belong on The View even if it was hosted by males.

He belongs in DC trying to fix his screw ups not preaching his agenda which is just sending the US down the tubes.

Will he be using air force 1 and wasting more fuel?

  • 15 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

Definitely yes! He's human and that should at least show his family side; the one most people can relate to. As long as he doesn't do it too often I don't see a problem and would be keen to watch it if I lived in the States. Those are the kind of programmes that give insight into what he's really like, not the scripted speeches he makes.

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
Carloz

Those are the kind of programmes that give insight into what he's really like, not the scripted speeches he makes.

I agree, Ms. Cyprah. I think Lynn Sweet put it well in her PD comment:

Finally, something unscripted! Hopefully. Talking to the ladies on "The View" is a way for President Obama to reach a different audience -- one that may not be hanging on the latest Twitter, Facebook or blog post, watching television news, websites or newspapers.

It's smart for the Obama messaging team to book him on the show because he can talk about his health care and financial reform overhauls and what they mean to consumers in a friendly setting. In return, the co-hosts have the opportunity to take Obama to uncharted territory. Obama has never done this kind of multiple host conversational format as president. That's a risk, but Obama reduces that risk if he is disciplined.

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
gregjarvis

hes starting the campaign for his pals. should be some intelligent conversation even though sherri shepherd thinks the world is flat. its just a bunch of hens clucking

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:25 PM EDT
Carloz

its just a bunch of hens clucking

Speaking of some people being rather sexist. 8-/

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

Speaking of some people being rather sexist. 8-/

And also shows what he thinks of women...mmmmm

  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT
HeelsnHairMetal

its just a bunch of hens clucking

begrudgingly I tend to agree

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT
Carloz

begrudgingly I tend to agree

Well, at least it's begrudgingly. Care to elaborate why you tend to agree?

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:43 PM EDT
gregjarvis

by hens clucking i mean irrelevant women talking about absolutely nothing important. that better?

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
rickace

Carloz, I agree ... yes he should He's a girly man and so he'll fit right in :-)

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
Carloz

by hens clucking i mean irrelevant women talking about absolutely nothing important.

I think most people knew what you meant, gregjarvis.

yes he should He's a girly man and so he'll fit right in :-)

Such substance. And certainly no sexism there. /s/

  • 5 votes
#1.11 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
rickace

Carloz

Such substance.

You'll have to understand that not every topic deserves my A game. Some merit ridicule IMO, and this was one of them. I did vote in the poll, though.

And certainly no sexism there. /s/

The View is hosted exclusively by women. How's that for sexism, contrincante?

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
Carloz

You'll have to understand that not every topic deserves my A game.

From what I've seen, that was your A game.

I did vote in the poll, though.

So, how did you vote?

The View is hosted exclusively by women. How's that for sexism, contrincante?

That's not sexism, that's merely a fact, émulo.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:34 PM EDT
rickace

Carloz

From what I've seen, that was your A game.

Perhaps you should read my column then. I've published quite a few articles, most of them with far more substance than this one of yours. Do your homework first before insulting me, or look stupid. Your choice.

That's not sexism, that's merely a fact, émulo.

Your opinion. I don't share it. Not that it matters anyway. If a bunch of chicks want to have their own TV show it's cool with me.

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
Carloz

I've published quite a few articles, most of them with far more substance than this one of yours

Thanks for sharing that high opinion of yourself.

Your opinion. I don't share it.

So, I'll bite. How is it sexist for 5 women to host a show? Are you an advocate of gender parity in all programming? And, you still haven't said whether you voted Yes, No or Not sure on the poll.

  • 4 votes
#1.15 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
rickace

Carloz

Thanks for sharing that high opinion of yourself.

Actually it was an opinion of my work, and I wrote it not to boast but rather to argue against your cheap shot in #1.13.

So, I'll bite. How is it sexist for 5 women to host a show? Are you an advocate of gender parity in all programming?

Like I said, I don't care. If they want an all-woman show, fine by me. TV for the most part sucks about as bad as it ever has. I've got DirecTV with a gazillion channels, yet there are times of the day when there's simply nothing worth tuning in to. Re-runs of Law & Order begin at 4:00 PM Eastern, so there's a bit of an oasis in an otherwise barren desert.

And, you still haven't said whether you voted Yes, No or Not sure on the poll.

See #1.10.

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
Carloz

Actually it was an opinion of my work, and I wrote it not to boast

Sure. 8-/

but rather to argue against your cheap shot in #1.13.

One cheap shot (#1.12) deserves another.

See #1.10.

The grade-school taunt of "girly man" tacked on at the end caused me to forget about the other part.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:06 PM EDT
rickace

Carloz

Sure. 8-/

Gruesome.

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:05 PM EDT
rickace

Carloz

Sure. 8-/

Only I knew what was in my mind. There's no advantage for me to lie here, so it's not my problem you don't care to believe me.

The grade-school taunt of "girly man" tacked on at the end caused me to forget about the other part.

That's your problem, not mine. Like I said, some topics merit ridicule IMO, and this was one of them. That I chose the words "girly man" is merely a reflection of my low level of respect for this poor excuse for an American president, and my contempt for those who still continue to lick his boots and turn a blind eye to the damage he's already done and continues to do.

  • 1 vote
#1.19 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM EDT
Carloz

Sure. 8-/

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
Patricia Baker

I agree with you Carloz, my newvine friend. When I woke up I found out the President isn't the King. We voted for him, he won. he can talk, walk like anyone else. Brought out many good highlights.

  • 2 votes
#1.21 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:06 AM EDT
Checkmate-983933

I don't think he should. Why waste your time associating with an idiot that thinks the world is flat and another idiot that defends a child rapist because it wasn't 'rape-rape?'

  • 1 vote
#1.22 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:16 AM EDT
rickace

FWIW Megyn Kelly reported today that both Rosie O'Donnell and Sarah Palin were of the opinion that Obama should not appear on The View.

I have no idea what to make of this, just tossin' it out there

^_^

  • 1 vote
#1.23 - Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:50 PM EDT
Carloz

Yes, I saw that, too. Palin's no surprise, as it's just another opportunity to criticize the Prez. Rosie's probably just jealous and wishes she was still on The View.

  • 1 vote
#1.24 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:29 AM EDT
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Chief CRD

He spends too much time on these shows, he has a job he needs to learn how to do, not showboat on TV.

  • 11 votes
#2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT
HeelsnHairMetal

How is no time too much time? How much time has he spent on TV shows since taking office besides the regular interviews with the news stations?

Who cares if he goes on The View? The View is for retired old women, housewives, etc. He is simply going to give and interview, push his agenda, hopefully DEMOLISH Elizabeth Hasselbeck, and take a few photos. Its 2010: there is no reason why the President should not get his message out to people on media other than the 4-5 "news" stations out there. People are getting their news and information from other sources these days, and if he is smart, he will show his face on some of those sources so he can get his message to them as well...

  • 11 votes
#2.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

Its 2010: there is no reason why the President should not get his message out to people on media other than the 4-5 "news" stations out there. People are getting their news and information from other sources these days, and if he is smart, he will show his face on some of those sources so he can get his message to them as well...

Absolutely spot on! Well said. :o)

  • 8 votes
#2.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
Carloz

The View is for retired old women, housewives, etc.

In other words, citizens as valuable as any other.

People are getting their news and information from other sources these days, and if he is smart, he will show his face on some of those sources so he can get his message to them as well...

Spot on. It's called communicating.

  • 11 votes
#2.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT
Carloz

He spends too much time on these shows

So, Chief CRD, it sounds like you've been keeping tabs. Please tell us exactly what shows you mean by "these shows" and give us your count of how many he has done since he's been President.

  • 10 votes
#2.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
Chief CRD

Only going by what I heard on the news as of the end of his first year in office - where the average presidential media appearance number was in the mid 40s. Obama had done more than 100. Either way, he is not at his appointed place of duty and performing, er, excuse me - learning, those duties, he is off carousing with the media. It's called malingering or even dereliction of duty. JMO

  • 4 votes
#2.5 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
Carloz

Only going by what I heard on the news as of the end of his first year in office - where the average presidential media appearance number was in the mid 40s. Obama had done more than 100.

Can you back that up with anything but "I heard?" ALso, what are "these shows?" Anything on television? Or are there some you deign as "serious" enough for a President?

  • 7 votes
#2.6 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
Chief CRD

"these shows" - call it any media appearance, but Obama takes it too far and too much. Today, show, the view, what a crock. Do the limited stuff from the white house pres room, make an announcement or two from the oval office and get back to learning the job - stop trying to BS the American public.

  • 8 votes
#2.7 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
HeelsnHairMetal

"these shows" - call it any media appearance, but Obama takes it too far and too much. Today, show, the view, what a crock. Do the limited stuff from the white house pres room, make an announcement or two from the oval office and get back to learning the job - stop trying to BS the American public.

Most people pay no attention to the network news or White House Press conferences. They get their information from sources OTHER than the 4-5 cable news stations. The White House would be a FOOL to not take advantage of those sources. Times change, society changes, and our politicians are going to change with it.

  • 7 votes
#2.8 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT
Steech

"(The president) is simply going to give an interview, push his agenda, hopefully DEMOLISH Elizabeth Hasselbeck..."

Okay, two of those three things are fine. Public appearances by sitting presidents to garner support for their platforms is consistent with 20th century American history. In the past, however, presidents used rallies (whistestop speeches, commencement speeches at university graduations, honorary dinners, and "town hall") to get their face out. The closest thing to an informal appearance - one which the president tries to look like a peer to his hosts - is factory or workplace appearances. FDR's method of communicating directly to the American people (via "Fireside Chats") is not quite the same thing.

Here's the thing, though: Appearing in public is considered okay because it's... well... you know, the public. And appearing in a workplace is okay because any one type of work stands in as a representation for all kinds of work - something most Americans do on a nearly daily basis. A workshop, be it a truck assembly line or a research laboratory, is in our virtual collective domain just like the high school gymnasium, downtown arena, or university auditorium.

Appearance on television is trickier. Heels is right, The View is oriented toward a certain audience and is a more exclusive domain. We all went to a school once, most of us have worked. School and work do not define our identities. But the shows we watch do. And going on one show, let's say Hardball... would be interpreted by the producers and viewers of The O'Reilly Factor as showing favoritism to a certain audience. (I know we're not talking about Hardball or The Factor. I don't know much about The View, though, so I'm at a loss to identify a polar opposite. I assume there is some political discussion on the view, otherwise Heels wouldn't have perceived a preexisting conflict with one of its hosts.)

Even going on both would be problematic because of the power imbalance of the president of the United States over a television personality, even ones as popular and influential as Chris Mathews and Bill O'Reilly. There is a certain deference, whether we admit it or not, that prevents a person from viciously contradicting the president to his face. Sure, a pundit like O'Reilly might ask "tough questions" - but he will leave his open ended questions about the president's birth certificate or fears of a "new world order/ one world government" at the door. The president himself can't go on the offensive, lest he be seen as a bully for exploiting the power imbalance.

The president can't "DEMOLISH" Ms. Hasselbeck (I guess she's vocally conservative?) and she is inhibited from being as open as she might be with a Democratic Party strategist or even a lower ranking administration official. Thus, the act of appearing on a show like The View must involve more limited goals. The strongest critics might argue that it is indistinguishable from ritual or propaganda. Either way, it isn't considered a part of the president's actual job.

This, not that it is somehow "beneath the dignity" of the president, is why more presidents don't appear on network TV. Still, for the record, I voted that Mr. Obama should appear in this poll. I don't think he shouldn't. I think such appearances are good every once in a while. Since they don't serve tangible purposes beyond temporary and slight bumps to approval ratings in the most variable polling groups, regular appearances have no function. But an occasional appearances don't hurt anything and should therefore not be opposed.

  • 3 votes
#2.9 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
Carloz

"these shows" - call it any media appearance, but Obama takes it too far and too much

AS I said, Chief CRD,can you back that up with more than "I heard" or "it seems." Facts, IOW.

occasional appearances don't hurt anything and should therefore not be opposed.

Not only do they not hurt anything, Steech, they can serve multiple purposes. Yes, it is campaigning in a sense, but it's also communicating with the people, and on the View there might be some people in the audience who don't usually hear the President. I say it broadens the outreach.

  • 8 votes
#2.10 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
Steech

Thanks for backing me up, Carloz. I wish I had used better grammar.

Should have read: "But occasional appearances don't hurt anything and should therefore not be opposed."

  • 5 votes
#2.11 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT
Carloz

Should have read: "But occasional appearances don't hurt anything and should therefore not be opposed."

Aw, what's a little misplaced article among friends? ;-)

  • 5 votes
#2.12 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:45 PM EDT
Chief CRD

I cannot cite direct dates, facts or figures. I do not sit here and try to BS my way, I give what I remember to have heard on a talk show on the way home from work one day (not Limbaugh, I despise that tub of lard and won't have him on), hence I'm not spot on with my numbers. I do remember that the average number of presidential media appearances at the comparable point on the term time line was in the mid 40s (43?) and Obama had made more than 100 (112 plus?). I hesitate to give specific numbers because, darn it, I didn't pull over and write it down for future debate. Sorry I can't accommodate you more. I stand by my statement:

He spends too much time on these shows, he has a job he needs to learn how to do, not showboat on TV.

I did not say he shouldn't spend any time on TV.

  • 2 votes
#2.13 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
greck

I cannot cite direct dates, facts or figures. I do not sit here and try to BS my way, I give what I remember to have heard on a talk show on the way home from work one day

dude, and i say this with all applicable caring dudeness,

that's exactly what "BS-ing" is.

  • 5 votes
#2.14 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
Chief CRD

NO - BS is making it all up and I am not making it all up. I'm giving the information that I remember, please forgive me if I don't have the exact date time radio station and verbiage - I was driving and decided that writing it down for future debate was a tad dangerous while going 65 down the freeway. I didn't claim the numbers were exact, I just used the general numbers as I remembered them to try to make a point - that point being that Obama had made more than twice as many media appearances than any other president at that point in his term. My other point stands - He has a job to learn instead of coddling up to the press.

  • 2 votes
#2.15 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT
greck

ok, fair enough,

I actually did just notice that you qualified what you said as "from what I heard" in the first place.

  • 4 votes
#2.16 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
Carloz

I cannot cite direct dates, facts or figures. I do not sit here and try to BS my way, I give what I remember to have heard on a talk show on the way home from work one day

In other words, Chief CRD, you don't know for a fact, but because you heard it somewhere you believe it to be true. No chance on earth whoever you heard it from was exaggerating, lying, or just bs-ing- but based on that you criticize the President.

  • 3 votes
#2.17 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
Chief CRD

No chance on earth whoever you heard it from was exaggerating, lying, or just bs-ing- but based on that you criticize the President.

I really do doubt it. While I don't really care for the self centered loudmouth host as a person, he generally has his facts straight (unlike Limbaugh who even to me makes up stuff), all I did was relay what I remembered. Sorry I can't help your apparent burning need to shoot the messenger but I can't quote source, page, verse, date, time and all that to satisfy your demands. You always struck me as at least reasonable, why the change?

And no, I criticize Obama because: A) I can, it's my right. and B) in my opinion (to which I am entitled) he is not worthy of the office, he has no leadership ability and no business being president. In my opinion he will do more damage (has done...) on top of the damage that GWB did, thus making the situation worse. I have said before - GWB ran the good ship USA aground, Obama is doing everything he can to sink it. Have a nice day.

  • 3 votes
#2.18 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:29 PM EDT
Carol-99

I actually did just notice that you qualified what you said as "from what I heard" in the first place.

greck, I don't think the phrase "from what I heard" disqualifies it from being BS.

  • 3 votes
#2.19 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:36 PM EDT
Carloz

And no, I criticize Obama because: A) I can, it's my right. and B) in my opinion (to which I am entitled)

You're right there - and apparently it doesn't matter to you if what you criticize him about is based on fact or hearsay.

  • 5 votes
#2.20 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:36 PM EDT
dcstone01

Chief, Dude, it's too easy to back up anything you say with proof...opinions are fine, but if you are going to start saying 'such and such is such because of such' then you need to support your 'facts/points/opinions'...all it takes is a few seconds of a Google search to find practically anything under the sun...But first you need to 'do it'...

TV shows President Obama has appeared on....

So far most links deal with stories relating to appearances in the news not shows themselves. But there is one for the 'Jay Leno show', and a mention of the 'Meet the Press' and of course 'the View'....I didn't go any farther than that first page...

Now, I asked google a different question

number of times President Obama has been on the TV news

Here to, there are numerous links to 'stories' about appearances...but none that actually give an accurate number because a lot of it is just stuff 'about Obama' and not Obama appearing on said show or news program.

As to the article...I have no problem with the president appearing on The View...the ladies are a class act who treat their guest with respect, and will not denigrate the presidential office.

I do have one question to ask...(and a possible follow up)

If President Obama were to appear on any 'Fox' show, would there be this 'outcry'? If not, why not?

  • 5 votes
#2.21 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
Carloz

I do have one question to ask...(and a possible follow up)

If President Obama were to appear on any 'Fox' show, would there be this 'outcry'? If not, why not?

Great question, DC! Especially, a daytime talk show format. Let's see what people have to say.

P.S. Thanks for the links.

  • 3 votes
#2.22 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT
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greck

You forgot to include an "I don't care, criticizing stuff like this is silly" option in the poll.

anyway, that's how I'd vote.

but I do plan on recording it, when's it on?

  • 9 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:24 AM EDT
bluearcher

Agreed.

Too often I get the impression that some people seed to fulfill a personal need for attention and approval.

It is just a matter of time before such excessive seed pandering makes Newsvine a marginal participatory journalism site.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT
Carloz

You forgot to include an "I don't care, criticizing stuff like this is silly" option in the poll.

anyway, that's how I'd vote.

Right, Greck - some people will look for any opportunity to criticize this President.

.but I do plan on recording it, when's it on?

It's on tomorrow. Here's a link to the View's site: President Barack Obama Appears Thursday.

  • 7 votes
#3.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT
Carol-99

I'm setting my DVR to record it.

  • 4 votes
#3.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
greck

thanks Carloz.

I do enjoy seeing people like the president on shows like The View wherein they talk about more non-political stuff, or at least are more personal.

What it ultimately does (and watching President Bush on shows like this had the same effect) is reminds me of the humanity common to us all, reminds me that no matter how crappy a president someone might or might not be, he's still a human being, just like me. We tend to forget that when we want something from someone.

so what I'm saying is that watching The View or Oprah or Barbara Walters "centers" me. As sad as that is...

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
Carloz

so what I'm saying is that watching The View or Oprah or Barbara Walters "centers" me. As sad as that is...

I don't find that sad at all.

  • 6 votes
#3.5 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT
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Therese Nelson

I do not think Pres Obama appearing on the view will help his creditability.

The Pres has not chose to go to the Border State of Arizona, the State he says is putting in Unconstitutional laws to personally review their problems with the Border, BUT he has time to go campaigning on the view? ughhh

So much for priorities, why did not Pres Obama go to Arizona and personally review the situation there? Politics?

  • 11 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
lisaed

BUT he has time to go campaigning on the view?

Therese---and don't forget he is also today gracing NJ with his presence again at a taxpayer funded campaign stop where he no doubt will bash the "partisan minority" at a sub shop in Edison.

  • 11 votes
#4.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

Lisaed, you must lead one hell of a miserable life to be so grumpy all the time about your president! :o(

  • 9 votes
#4.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT
lisaed

Ms Cyprah--grumpy? Have you seen his sagging poll numbers (which are why he'll be sitting on the couch with the View ladies in the first place)? I'd hardly describe my feelings in any way shape or form as "grumpy."

  • 12 votes
#4.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
gregjarvis

Lisaed, you must lead one hell of a miserable life to be so grumpy all the time about your president! :o(

i think its more than just lisaed...

  • 7 votes
#4.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:27 PM EDT
Joanna Caroll

I'll get lisaed to smile.....Chris Christie hits another one out of the ballpark on Morning Joe!

I love that guy!

And I look forward to seeing Obama on The View! I love that guy!

  • 6 votes
#4.5 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:34 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

Have you seen his sagging poll numbers

Never trust polls mid-term. They only suggest that the honeymoon is over, not that the marriage is finished! And with the sad excuse for a party that the GOP represents just now I don't think he has any real competition just now, even if polls are down. :o)

  • 6 votes
#4.6 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
Carloz

They only suggest that the honeymoon is over, not that the marriage is finished!

Hey, I like that metaphor, Ms C. Can I use it sometime?

And with the sad excuse for a party that the GOP represents just now I don't think he has any real competition just now, even if polls are down.

So, so true.

  • 7 votes
#4.7 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:48 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

Hey, I like that metaphor, Ms C. Can I use it sometime?

Help yourself, good friend, and thanks for the reinforcement! :o)

  • 3 votes
#4.8 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
Carloz

Help yourself, good friend, and thanks for the reinforcement! :o)

Gracias, amiga.

  • 2 votes
#4.9 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:09 PM EDT
lisaed

I'll get lisaed to smile.....Chris Christie hits another one out of the ballpark on Morning Joe!

I love that guy!

Joanna--I saw it too...I'm smiling now. Thanks.

  • 4 votes
#4.10 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
rickace

Ms CYPRAH

And with the sad excuse for a party that the GOP represents just now

The GOP is a sad excuse? Jeepers, have you even been watching the news since Inauguration Day? It wasn't the Pubs who flushed $800B down the toilet to pay for a bogus "stimulus". It wasn't the Pubs who illegally bought shares of General Motors. It wasn't the Pubs who rammed the Health Care Bill From Hell down our throats.

In addition to being fiscally reckless and incompetent, our president has a track record of corruption. As a senator he took over $100,000 in legal bribes from the wealthy suits at Fannie and Freddie in exchange for his votes and influence in Congress to do the bidding of those suits. I trust him as far as I can throw my car.

The GOP may indeed be hurting, but as bad as they are they're a helluva lot less dangerous than the Democrats are.

As for Lisa, I've been a forum buddy of hers for around five years now. "Grumpy" doesn't describe her. She's one of the most serene folks I've met online and on her column she handles with grace some of the nasty stuff the lefties dish up, stuff that riles me up.

  • 3 votes
#4.11 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:37 PM EDT
lisaed

Rickace--I thank you kind sir.

  • 2 votes
#4.12 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:54 PM EDT
Ms CYPRAH

The GOP may indeed be hurting, but as bad as they are they're a helluva lot less dangerous than the Democrats are.

Mmmmm...I guess that's a matter of opinion, rick! :o(

I the GOP wants to be the next government they had better start behaving like one. they can't spend their time sabotaging and putting down the current government then expect others to vote for them or respect them IF they get into office. Doesn't work like that. In fact, they have a shock in store for them, come November!

She's one of the most serene folks I've met online

I have no doubt she is, but it seems that when it comes to the president, she's always grumpy!!

  • 2 votes
#4.13 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
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steven-791492

Of course he should .... this one is a no brainer.

  • 6 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
Carloz

Of course he should .... this one is a no brainer.

Yet some people are criticizing him for doing so, Steven.

Obama’s stop on ‘The View’ sparks online, cable debate

Fox “News” Promotes Bogus Obama Boy Scout “Diss”

  • 8 votes
#5.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:46 PM EDT
Chief CRD

Fox "News" Promotes Bogus Obama Boy Scout "Diss"

Agreed on that, BSA does not rate a high opinion from me.

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
StevG-144

If Obama had turned down the view, FOX news would have come out with a story that says Obama insults all women, by not going on The View, to good to go on a show, with just all women.

  • 7 votes
#5.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
Carloz

If Obama had turned down the view, FOX news would have come out with a story that says Obama insults all women, by not going on The View, to good to go on a show, with just all women.

And Liz Hasselbeck, could have gone on The O' Rielly Factor to talk about how offended she was and how the President's biggest concern was that he didn't want to be confronted by such an articulate, strong and intelligent Conservative woman as herself. OK, well maybe Hasselbeck isn't that delusional.

  • 4 votes
#5.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT
steven-791492

Carloz thanks for the links ..... it is coming down to anything; walking across the rose garden? Is now spun as evil on Fox News.

  • 3 votes
#5.5 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:59 PM EDT
Carloz

walking across the rose garden? Is now spun as evil on Fox News.

It promotes socialism! LOL!

  • 3 votes
#5.6 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:10 PM EDT
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Bubba-939441

He needs a medium to tell us the stimulus is working. It will be a very receptive liberal audience. Perhaps he should be convincing independents who don't watch the view. Maybe Rush could interview him. Dems are in big trouble in November.

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:43 AM EDT
Clarence5

It's funny that he keeps traveling the country, trying to convince us the stimulus worked. How many people are out of work? How many are still losing their homes? That's cool, Obama, we know better. But if it makes you feel better to lie, continue on.

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
Carloz

trying to convince us the stimulus worked.

Well, Clarence5, here are two respected economists whose research supports that view and who say that the government's intervention averted a depression:

In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration's fiscal stimulus program, the nation's gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.

In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation.

The paper, by Alan S. Blinder, a Princeton professor and former vice chairman of the Fed, and Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, represents a first stab at comprehensively estimating the effects of the economic policy responses of the last few years.

"While the effectiveness of any individual element certainly can be debated, there is little doubt that in total, the policy response was highly effective," they write.

By the way, one of the two researches (Mark Zandi) was an adviser on economic policy to the McCain/Palin presidential campaign.

  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:11 PM EDT
rickace

Carloz

A mere two economists? There were around 100 professors of economics, with a few Nobel laureates among them, who in January 2009 pleaded in a full-page article to then President-elect Obama to pursue a different economic policy. Barry flipped them off like the arrogant SOB he is.

I have to laugh at these guys you cited. Blinder was a vice chairman of the Fed, one of governmental agencies that exacerbated the meltdown, a dangerous and powerful agency running some scams that are too secret even for members of Congress to learn of. Zandi was chief economist at Moody's, which was knee-deep in the subprime crisis by rating piles of @!$%#ty mortgage debt as investment grade quality. Now here come these two weasels to crow about how effective the stimulus is.

But let's for the sake of argument take them at their word. And why not? Tossing hundreds of billions of dollars into the private sector should have a salubrious effect. The questions they fail to raise though are:

  1. Is it worth $800B?
  2. How can we pay off that debt when the economy is circling the bowl and federal revenues will follow?
  3. How long will the cocaine high last after the feds snort the last line?

Not the sharpest knives in the drawer these two. Then there's this:

We conclude that [Federal Reserve Chairman] Ben Bernanke was probably right when he said that "We came very close in October [2008] to Depression 2.0."

There's no credible evidence that Great Depression V2.0 isn't in our near future, and there's plenty of evidence suggesting that it is. The amount of financial rot that accreted over 20+ years is still around, a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. The USA is saddled with over $13T of sovereign debt and it's growing faster than ever thanks to the spendthrifts in Washington like Obama and Pelosi.

In other words, we're likely in for the Big Screw. It's already happening across the pond.

Trust the analysis and forecasts from economists at your own peril.

  • 1 vote
#6.3 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:59 PM EDT
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Carol-99

I have not watched The View very many times, but I think that this might be a place where he can have an honest unscripted conversation about some of the issues. I would hope that it is unscripted and without many restrictions from the White House.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
Carloz

I have not watched The View very many times, but I think that this might be a place where he can have an honest unscripted conversation about some of the issues.

Same here, Carol.

I would hope that it is unscripted and without many restrictions from the White House.

With five people questioning him, I think it should be pretty unscripted. We'll see, though.

  • 7 votes
#7.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"With five people questioning him, I think it should be pretty unscripted."

A real tough unbiased interview. They love Obama on the View.

    #7.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM EDT
    Carloz

    A real tough unbiased interview.

    Well, Bubba, we said unscripted, not "tough, unbiased." Still, I guess you don't know much about Barbara Walters' interviewing history.

    They love Obama on the View.

    Then there's Liz Hasselbeck. I'm sure FOX News has dictated her talking points to her already.

    • 7 votes
    #7.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
    Bubba-939441

    "Then there's Liz Hasselbeck"

    Liz is a liberal in conservative clothing.

      #7.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
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      Ruel RaphaelDeleted
      PaladinUSA (redux)

      At least when Nixon appeared on Laugh In at least there was a young and beautiful Goldie Hawn to distract us.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#9 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM EDT
      Bootstraps

      Go Go Goldie was responsible for my first pup tent.

      • 2 votes
      #9.1 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT
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      Bootstraps

      I voted No, field hockey moms are Bill's ditty.

        Reply#10 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:36 PM EDT
        WILDWONDERFUL

        He can go on any program he wants. I will not be listening to his lies .

        • 5 votes
        Reply#11 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:38 PM EDT
        Texasguy01

        He is snubbing the Boy Scouts 100th birthday to do this. All his gay buddies will be upset if he says something nice to the Boy Scouts. What a strange world we live in when the boy scouts are the sworn enemies of the Democratic Party. But it makes sense. The Democrats are not interested or focused on childrens rights. If they are not aborted then they get in the way of sexual freedom. How selfish!

        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/27/obama-missing-historic-boy-scout-jamboree-fundraisers-view-taping/

        will make history as the first sitting president on a daytime talk show when he visits with the ladies of "The View." But he'll be missing out on another historic occasion -- the Boy Scouts' Jamboree marking the group's 100th anniversary, right in the president's backyard.

        The Jamboree kicked off this week at Fort A.P. Hill in Virginia, where organizers had invited the president to speak to the 45,000 scouts in attendance. All three of Obama's predecessors have made it to one Jamboree while in office.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#12 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
        Bubba-939441

        "He is snubbing the Boy Scouts 100th birthday"

        Face it, liberals aren't interested in the boy scouts.

        • 3 votes
        #12.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
        greck

        Face it, liberals aren't interested in the boyscouts.

        while conservatives are a little too interested.

        (sorry man, couldn't help it, you put a fastball right over the plate like that...)

        • 6 votes
        #12.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
        Carloz

        He is snubbing the Boy Scouts 100th birthday to do this.

        I see you've received your FOX News talking points, Texasguy01. See the second link in comment #5.1 for a rebuttal of FOX's smear..

        • 4 votes
        #12.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
        Chief CRD

        "He is snubbing the Boy Scouts 100th birthday"

        From my experience with the Boy Scouts, they aren't worth the attention of a real president, let alone Obama. Maybe a mayor, but that's about it.

        • 3 votes
        #12.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
        Bluekilgoretrout

        Agreed. The flap over the boy scouts is absurd. Even they say so. Here, check it out:

        http://bluewavenews.com/blog/2010/07/27/obama-v-boy-scouts-conservative-medias-latest-molehill-made-mountainous/

        • 6 votes
        #12.5 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
        Joanna Caroll

        What a strange world we live in when the boy scouts are the sworn enemies of the Democratic Party. But it makes sense. The Democrats are not interested or focused on childrens rights. If they are not aborted then they get in the way of sexual freedom. How selfish!

        What nonsense! You read all of that into Obama not going to the BS jamboree? You realize the Scouts knew Obama wasn't going to attend this jubilee for 2 months and that the President will deliver a video message? Your comments remind me, I should be kinder than necessary to the very young Viners here. At 13, perhaps it is likely you see the President in such a skewed manner.

        • 5 votes
        #12.6 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
        Carloz

        http://bluewavenews.com/blog/2010/07/27/obama-v-boy-scouts-conservative-medias-latest-molehill-made-mountainous/

        Thanks for the link, Bluekilgoretrout. Of course, sense won't stop Baracknophobics.

        • 7 votes
        #12.7 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
        Bluekilgoretrout

        Not a problem.

        Unfortunately you are correct: It's hard to reason with the unreasonable.

        I just keep chalking this all up to the fact that the right claimed liberals viewed Obama as the messiah and now they seem dumbfounded that he is neither omnipresent nor omnipotent.

        Odd. But that seems to fit.

        • 5 votes
        #12.8 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:33 PM EDT
        Carloz

        Some just hate him, no matter what.

        • 5 votes
        #12.9 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:25 PM EDT
        rickace

        Carloz

        Some just hate him, no matter what.

        I don't hate the guy. I just detest what he's done and don't find him to be presidential material.

        People talk of him reversing the damage GWB did. That's a complete crock. Obama's GWB on steroids. His spending makes a drunken sailor look stingy. His approach to the economy consists of swinging in the dark and tossing money at it, as if that would magically cure things. He loves GWB's war in Afghanistan so much he's sending even more troops to that unwinnable quagmire.

        Many people think terrorists are our biggest threat. I don't agree. The most formidable threat is the clear and present danger of Washington politicians running amok, accountable to no one but themselves.

        • 1 vote
        #12.10 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:09 PM EDT
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        Mike-475880

        Obama can be on whatever show he wants to be on. It's his choice. I kind of doubt he will be on Jerry Springer anytime soon, but the View...sure.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#13 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT
        Manfred-1987715Deleted
        kls illini

        I voted no in the poll but after I thought about it I wish he would not only go on but to stay on. He like to talk and not do a lot just like the other host. I think he would fit right in and soon you would even forget he was a man. He would blend in oh so nice on that panel.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#15 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT
        Bluekilgoretrout

        As far as day time TV goes, there really are few highbrow choices for our esteemed leader.

        Obama on Judge Judy would seem a bit worse, don'tcha think?

        • 3 votes
        Reply#16 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT
        Pacific Northwest Blogger

        Who cares... really.

        In a way it's good, it breaks down the wall from the so called reverence of the big media who make a living focusing on politics.

        Interviews with non-politicos who talk entertainment ---which is what the majority of American's have been watching instead of cable news anyway--- will probably capture a few ears and provide some non-political (expert driven) discussions, 98% of American's can actually better relate to Whoopie or Elizabeth better than the expert politicos on Cable News.

        I would prefer hearing the president in a casual setting, than on some politico (agenda driven) expert talk show on cable news.

        • 8 votes
        Reply#17 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
        Carloz

        I would prefer hearing the president in a casual setting, than on some politico (agenda driven) expert talk show on cable news.

        Actually, I like having my cake and eating it, too - so I'm happy to see him (or any other President) on both. :-)

        • 5 votes
        #17.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
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        Carolyn-1144975

        No president of America should ever go on talk shows. If he does, it is only to draw attention to himself and his politics. He really would like to be a movie star!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#18 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
        Stevie-445471

        HUH?

        • 2 votes
        #18.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
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        DEVIL1

        Obama,in my opinion,treats his office with no more regard than a rock star treats a concert.He takes all the perks delivers all that he's capable of delivering.Which at this point is very little.Let him go on the View,What he should go on is "The suvivor" lets see how long he'd last.About one term.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#19 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
        Liam-744482Deleted
        RI Mom

        H O O O R A Y....

        some Fox devotees are sure to tune in and get to see something they have never seen before:

        INTELLIGENT WOMAN doing a civil , respectful interview

        • 5 votes
        Reply#21 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
        Carloz

        LOL, RI Mom!

        • 6 votes
        #21.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
        rickace

        RI Mom

        INTELLIGENT WOMAN doing a civil , respectful interview

        ... lobbing softballs ...

        some Fox devotees are sure to tune in and get to see something they have never seen before:

        I see an intelligent woman doing civil, respectful interviews every time I tune in to America Live.

        Buzz kill.

        • 2 votes
        #21.2 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:48 PM EDT
        RI Mom

        #20.2:

        I'm pretty sure that Megyn Kelly will be watching.

        • 3 votes
        #21.3 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT
        rickace

        RI Mom

        I'm pretty sure that Megyn Kelly will be watching.

        I dunno. She's got her own show to deliver and wasting an hour watching Obama flap his lips doesn't sound like a good use of her time. It's definitely a waste of mine so I won't be tuning in.

        But think of the bright side. As long as Obama's appearing on The View, during all that time he's not hatching more plots to screw up the USA.

        • 2 votes
        #21.4 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:51 PM EDT
        Sam Bane

        At least on the view he was not quite as racist as he is at this moment while delivering another of his rants to yet anothe militant radical racist organization. (The Urban League) Everyday he exhibits more of his racist standings. There is absolutely no doubt as to why he directed his lackey, Eric Holder, to drop charges against the Black Panthers for voter intimidation. The only thing he has yet to do is raise his fist in yet another exihibition of "Black Power". Keep watching he will do it.

          #21.5 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:39 AM EDT
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          A Sergeant's Mom

          I like the show as a very informal discussion forum to watch, but it is campy for our national leader to be selling himself to the public this way.

          But, what do I know.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#22 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
          Stevie-445471

          We are living in a new era and I like it. And I hope he goes on more shows, such David Letterman and Jay Leno. Enough of the stuffed shirts that want everything to remain 1910 style.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#23 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:54 PM EDT
          Carloz

          Spot on, Stevie!

          • 3 votes
          #23.1 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:11 PM EDT
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          Groovetrak.network news

          The "Red, White & View" campaign by the show is a great and almost "ordinary" opportunity to hear real-world language from dignitaries and even "the US president" without intellectual or otherwise cautious sound bites. It's uniquely an American phenomena. God Bless Speech and the Freedom to Make it Good! Kudos to ABC producers and to of course, Barbara, Whoopi, Joy, Elisabeth and Sherri a true feat for public awareness.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#24 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:55 AM EDT
          Carloz

          God Bless Speech and the Freedom to Make it Good! Kudos to ABC producers and to of course, Barbara, Whoopi, Joy, Elisabeth and Sherri a true feat for public awareness.

          I second that!

          • 4 votes
          #24.1 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
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