Low turnout in D.C. at Tuesday's Tea Party rally against health care reform. Is the party over?

http://surgeusa.org/actions/tea/nashville.htm

"The air is out of the tea party balloon," said DNC spokeswoman Brandi Hoffine. "Today’s dismal showing on Capitol Hill coupled with the turnout we’re seeing at health reform rallies across the country where supporters are outnumbering opponents by three to one and four to one clearly demonstrates that the momentum is squarely on the side of those who support reform."

Well, I don't know if the air is completely out of the balloon yet, but this sure seems like a lull of sorts. Now whether that's because it's fizzling out, morphing or, what else, I'm not sure. I do wonder how long a movement can last that is clearly against a lot, but not very clear on what it's for, and which seems to thrive on anger and outrage. I think most people eventually get tired of that kind of stuff.

Also, isn't it interesting how FOX Nation called today's event the "Surge Against Obama" rather than against something like Government Health Care. They didn't even bother with using 'ObamaCare,' but just put the real agenda right up front.

45 votes

#1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:43 PM EDT

BAD1V

Just wait FOX will report a turnout of over a million.

46 votes

#1.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:37 PM EDT

redsfan

Using the term "Surge Against Obama" is finally Fox telling the truth. Whether the "members" think so or not, Fox has promoted these tea parties in order to bash Obama...no other reason.

41 votes

#1.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:44 PM EDT

George Marez

They are all probably gassing up their planes to fly them into government buildings. Or they are busy in a teabaging session and forgot all about the surge.

24 votes

#1.3 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:59 PM EDT

Frank BlackDeleted

Truth Hurts-840829

some are tired of protest and where cleaning their guns instead.

7 votes

#1.5 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:10 PM EDT

DS04

Carloz while I voted for a lull maybe just maybe the tea partiers are reading, researching, and making an informed decision about the issues for themselves instead of having it defined by the extreme right wing and organizations like freedom works and the health insurance lobby.

7 votes

#1.6 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:29 PM EDT

LasVegasRocks

Carloz,

There never was a party (with hats and ice cream) or a party (political, that is).

There were just a handful of anti-American, right wing nut jobs (like that idiot GB at faux noise) who created a short lived pseudo-movement that has seen its last days.

15 votes

#1.7 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:43 PM EDT

Therese Nelson

Carloz,

Is this wishful thinking?

I think they have only just begun...

I think that reminds me of a song.

The handwriting is on the wall...

6 votes

#1.8 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:38 PM EDT

Arlene Tognetti

I remember seeing Sarah Palin at the last gathering (est. 600-1000 attendees)

News-Reporters were not allowed in the convention

link here:

I have never felt the Tea Party, the Conventions,

or even Sarah Palin would be a real threat to the rest of America

but they are certainly loud, crazy, wing nuts who spread fear and

incite violence. So, yes, we should be aware of their manipulations

of truth...But Do Not React ...or Believe them...the louder they get,

the more desperate they are.

11 votes

#1.9 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:13 AM EDT

Stop the ignorance.

This is no surprise... no movement can maintain momentum when the commonality is anger and rage. At some point the participants have to come up for air.

It's kind of like the angry man who exclaims "I'm mad as hell and I can't take it anymore!" then is followed around to see what happens when 'anymore' comes to pass. Is he still mad as hell or has he blown off a bit of steam when the proverbial sky hasn't actually fallen?

What's the moral of this story?

Is it that rage and anger aren't long range motivators, or is it, the GOP has once again overplayed its hand?

17 votes

#1.10 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:28 AM EDT

ZeroX

Obama is arrogantly dictating what he says is good for people. He and his sycophants are treating Americans like stupid children. Although you may fit that description, most Americans do not. If the health bill is go great, then why did congress specifically write themselves out?

4 votes

#1.11 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:36 AM EDT

Obama is a dictator? I'd sure like to see some evidence of that.

Oh wait....you can't....cus you're a pothole....sooooo.....'K bye!

20 votes

#1.12 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:48 AM EDT

rls8r

ZeroX -

Where did Congress write themselves out? No such language is in the old House Bill (in fact, there was an amendment that specifically included members of Congress and their staff) and no such language is in the old Senate Bill. We (or at least, I) haven't seen the new bill yet, but I understand that only about 100 pages or so have been added. Have you seen the new bill? Please give us the Section reference so we can see if you really know what you're talking about.

15 votes

#1.13 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:34 AM EDT

Carloz while I voted for a lull maybe just maybe the tea partiers are reading, researching, and making an informed decision about the issues for themselves instead of having it defined by the extreme right wing and organizations like freedom works and the health insurance lobby.

Actually, I don't how many of them have done that, but I'm sure there are a few. I do know I've heard people say they tired of the Tea Party and rejected it because of things like violent talk, confrontational tactics and/or the Obama Derangement Syndrome of it all.

There never was a party (with hats and ice cream) or a party (political, that is).

I agree -- but sometimes things like this can morph into things like political parties, organizations, etc.

Carloz,

Is this wishful thinking?

Everything I presented in the article is fact -- check the links. In comment #1 I basically said I am not sure, which is how I voted in the poll. I don't think "not sure" is much of a "wishful thought." As I said though:

I do wonder how long a movement can last that is clearly against a lot, but not very clear on what it's for, and which seems to thrive on anger and outrage. I think most people eventually get tired of that kind of stuff.

That's not wishful thinking, but an opinion.

And FOX Nation's referring to the event as "Surge Against Obama" when it was supposed to be against Government Health Care (or as they often call it 'ObamaCare') is neither wishful thinking or an opinion but a fact. And IMO, Redsfan hit the nail on the head:

Whether the "members" think so or not, Fox has promoted these tea parties in order to bash Obama...

And that's why a lot of the Tea Partiers are in the movement, too, IMO.

17 votes

#1.14 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:35 AM EDT

MarkD-555

Obama is arrogantly dictating what he says is good for people.

Yeah!

It's like he thinks he was elected to the executive branch of the government or something! How arrogant!

22 votes

#1.15 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:49 AM EDT

Idj

I think the Vast majority of Americans are finally waking up to the fact that FAUX NEWS IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE EQUIVALENT of Nazi type PROPAGANDA. They covered for the debacle that was Bush/Cheney for eight years, hardly a disparaging word, but now have self annonited themselves the patriotic opposition leader against the current administration. WHY?

They are the loudest drum beater of the NEOCON'S world view,recently changed name to Tea Party, with the intent to disrupt and stall everything that interferes with their agenda. Bona fied Tea Partiers are realizing, they've been had, and have been co-opted into being "FOOT SOLDIERS" against their knowlege and free will, in other words DUPED.

I think even the REAL Grass Roots of the Tea Party, is beginning to see through the charade, and are now saying,"WE WANT OUR MOVEMENT BACK"! Alas, too late.

The majority of Americans see the Tea Party eerily looking like the JIM CROW MOBS in the south, during the 1960s, trying to deny Blacks their Constitutional voting rights.

There is nothing PATRIOTIC about being ANTI (USA), ANTI (BILL OF RIGHTS), OR ANTI (U S CONSTITUTION); NOTHING! My advise to the Tea Party; CHANGE THE CHANNEL!!!

16 votes

#1.16 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:28 AM EDT

Most of these people have jobs and were probably at work. Someone has to work to pay all the progressives bills.

6 votes

#1.17 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:12 AM EDT

Luke Wright

Also, isn't it interesting how FOX Nation called today's event the "Surge Against Obama" rather than against something like Government Health Care. They didn't even bother with using 'ObamaCare,' but just put the real agenda right up front

I think everybody just knows now that the majority is against this massive healthcare bill. Why show up when everybody is against it anyway. Look at the democrat congressmen. They know everybody is against it, that's why they won't vote for it! Let them pass it and we'll see in November how many are left after the election...lol

7 votes

#1.18 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT

Exactly, Luke . . . exactly.

6 votes

#1.19 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:35 AM EDT

"Vast majority" -- yeah right: Rasmussen vs. Everybody Else

9 votes

#1.20 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:11 AM EDT

Carloz :

Why can't people be FOR health care reform, but AGAINST this massive bill?

3 votes

#1.21 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:16 AM EDT

Rickeroo

The Tea Party isn't about rallies.

It's about mindset and what normal people do at the voting booth. We'll see what people think of Obama's agenda come November.

With Scott Brown, NY23 and the governors of NJ and VA, it certainly does not look good.

2 votes

#1.22 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:59 AM EDT

Carlos

Did you look at the internals of the link you posted?

Don't just look at the graph ...go to the pollster.com link and look at the numbers of each poll. And look at the reoccurring polls. As I look at them since Jan. 1st I see only ONE poll that has a over 50% in favor! And TWO that are even! Every other, shows the unfavorable higher than favorable. There is no trend in these polls showing what the DailyKos article says!

And as a side note. ...If a simple majority is what we are to go one.. Then YES ! The public has spoken ...Kill the Bill!

4 votes

#1.23 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:17 PM EDT

JimD-723959

It's about mindset and what normal people do at the voting booth. We'll see what people think of Obama's agenda come November.

With Scott Brown, NY23 and the governors of NJ and VA, it certainly does not look good.

Rickleroo, You are going to be very surprised if you think is only the dems voted to in November. People are tired of all career Politicians, Everyone I work with (informed or not) is Tired of Washington NOT being able to address the problems everyday Americans are facing.

It's going to be a eye-opener for Washington.

3 votes

#1.24 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:54 PM EDT

#1.5:some are tired of protest and where cleaning their guns instead.

For what?

5 votes

#1.25 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:55 PM EDT

#1.6Carloz while I voted for a lull maybe just maybe the tea partiers are reading, researching, and making an informed decision about the issues for themselves instead of having it defined by the extreme right wing and organizations like freedom works and the health insurance lobby.

Now that's funny! Isn't there some type of mark or wording you use to indicate "sarcasm"? Because surely you jest; we are talking about the same Teabaggers, correct?

4 votes

#1.26 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:02 PM EDT

Plantsmantx

It crossed my mind that the turnout may have been so low because the rally was sponsored by Dick Armey's corporate-slickster faction, rather than the truly-crazy-as-hell Tom Tancredo faction:). I don't think that's the reason, though.

2 votes

#1.27 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:10 PM EDT

#1.27:It crossed my mind that the turnout may have been so low because the rally was sponsored by Dick Armey's corporate-slickster faction, rather than the truly-crazy-as-hell Tom Tancredo faction:). I don't think that's the reason, though.

Hi P, keep reading this seed. There will be all kinds of attempts at justification from "we had to work" {meaning others didn't}; "it was held during the daytime {like the others were not?}; the weather was awful {it is heading into spring now unlike before}. All of these means nothing. When the real theme was revealed as "Surge Against Obama" the gig was up!

It is now apparent that the rally/protests are not against any policies, programs or plans, spending expenses or deficits, but the person President Obama! It is therefore personal and over for all intent and purposes.

Some of us already felt and stated it was personal, but it is now a matter of record. How nice of them to admit it - I'm sure they did not realize it. Such morons!

This also goes to the question of why there are no black faces at the teaparty rallies, doesn't it?

btw, dick armey has been there, behind the scenes of Freedomworks, from day one sponsoring these rallies! So no variable changes there either!

7 votes

#1.28 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:46 PM EDT

Plantsmantx

I'm seeing those excuses, LOL. But having said that, I don't think it's over.

It is now apparent that the rally/protests are not against any policies, programs or plans, spending expenses or deficits, but the person President Obama!

Yep.

3 votes

#1.29 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:29 PM EDT

Did you look at the internals of the link you posted?

Yes, Jim44, and I didn't see "vast majorities" disapproving. In addition, there have been polls that have shown majority disapproval (still not "vast"), and then when the bill is explained, that changes. Plus, there was a poll recently showing that Obama is more trusted on HCR than the GOP. Altogether, it's a mixed bag, but hardly "vast majorities" disapproving.

The public has spoken

Yes, they did -- in November 2008 when they elected a President and Congress with a mandate for health care reform. We have not reached the point of being governed by snapshot surveys.

Pass the bill!

9 votes

#1.30 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:44 PM EDT

#1.30:Pass the bill!

By any means necessary! Including "deemed" and done! Whatever protocol used is not "legitimate" unless the repugs do it, then it is ok. Hogwash!

6 votes

#1.31 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:54 PM EDT

Come on Carlos... you have always seemed to be fair an honorable.

"Yes, they did -- in November 2008 when they elected a President and Congress with a mandate for health care reform. We have not reached the point of being governed by snapshot surveys.

No one disagrees that there needs to be health care reform. And many of the things in the current Senate Bill ( what we are really discussing) has some good points. But, if you read the questions asked in the polls..Its clear this bill is looked on unfavorably ...Health reform -YES.. By using this bill- NO!

That is the thing so many will not recognize ..The American people want health care reform...just not this way! Or so the polls would suggest!

When asked do they support health care reform ...its YES

When asked if they support this bill...its NO And that's all I was saying and pointing out!

1 vote

#1.32 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT

Polls depend on the question asked, the context in which it was asked, and the target group. If we don't know those three key pieces, we don't have a poll.

5 votes

#1.33 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:49 PM EDT

redsfan

Health reform -YES.. By using this bill- NO

Because people want the public option and it is not in the bill.

5 votes

#1.34 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:51 PM EDT

Dem will push for public option in separate bill if not included in existing package

Because people want the public option and it is not in the bill.

Exactly, Redsfan -- but it can be added later, so, IMO it's important to make this change.

5 votes

#1.35 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT

redsfan

Agreed - health care reform without the public option is a good start (and a necessary start) but most of us will continue to push for the public option and get it passed later.

5 votes

#1.36 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:08 PM EDT

#1.35 &1.36:Agreed - health care reform without the public option is a good start (and a necessary start) but most of us will continue to push for the public option and get it passed later.

I am with you guys and have always felt that the Public Option would "see" a way in. I said last week here on NV that I didn't know exactly how but I just did somehow, someway it will. I still hold on to that premise. But as always, first things first. Things do have a "domino effect" on other things.

And remember that "Patience is a virtue".

5 votes

#1.37 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:06 PM EDT

Why ? ...Why are so many afraid to say what you three have said ? That they want the Single Payer option or ..."Public Option" why are all the politicians COWARDS?

2 votes

#1.38 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:33 PM EDT

Mary-471639

The Tea Party started to break down with the TN convention, when it was found out the organizer, Phillips intended to profit from it. Many members felt the lavish affair sounded suspiciously like an exclusive GOP fundraiser and a betrayal of their grassroots movement.

Will it morph? I don't know, but I never viewed them as very organized to begin with.

27 votes

#2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:17 PM EDT

The convention sure was a low point, Mary -- and not just in terms of the for-profit angle, and the awful turnout, but also some of the things that were said there.

Will it morph? I don't know, but I never viewed them as very organized to begin with.

No, it's always seemed pretty chaotic to me.

21 votes

#2.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:41 PM EDT

Mary... also add that most of them were mad that Palin got 100,000 and found out that is the only reason that the Faker Palin came to the Convention.

22 votes

#2.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:32 PM EDT

Idj

Turn out might have been better if PALIN had used her $100,000 payment as she said she would, Remember! She could have spent that money promoting the rally.

She said the money was going to be put back into the Tea Party Movement. Did Sarah Palin Lie,... again? The 1/2 term Governor, (quitter), needs to stop LYING, and more people need to stop believing her lies! LOL

6 votes

#2.3 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:24 AM EDT

AZPADDY

I believe the tea part "movement" is dying a natural death like the townhall "movement" did.

All phony astroturf organizations such as these die out quickly, because there is no real basis for them....only money and hate - and together they make an awfully weak tea.

9 votes

#2.4 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:26 AM EDT

Maybe the grumpy old white people forgot to take their Geritol. Could it be that they couldn't afford their meds anymore?

27 votes

#3 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:29 PM EDT

The socialist boogeymen came out from under the bed and stole them? :)

Ha ha, jk.

23 votes

#3.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:46 PM EDT

Darkwood

They realized they were being used by corporate megalomaniacs to pose as a grassroots movement in order to further the stranglehold that insurance companies have on our economy. Just kidding, they just forgot to show up.

15 votes

#3.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:03 PM EDT

LCS

Or you could'nt afford your crack.

2 votes

#3.3 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:03 AM EDT

AZPADDY

LCS

WTF???

5 votes

#3.4 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT

I expect comments like the one from LCS-just another Rovian disciple with nothing of value to say, save for talking points from Faux News Channel.

4 votes

#3.5 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:11 PM EDT

LCS

Or was is grumpy old black, asian, hispanic, sounds ignorant doesnt it. People have problems instead of looking in the mirror, they point fingers, much like Hitler.

1 vote

#3.6 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:00 PM EDT

Kak?

How many people of colour do you see in those crowds. I haven't seen one yet. They're all Wonder Bread.

5 votes

#3.7 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT

Citizen Kane had a YouTube clip of Black speakers before the TEA Party rallies. They looked sincere but could have been paid actors...

2 votes

#3.8 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:30 PM EDT

SW..if there was a YouTube of an event that was to support black children and it had a few white speakers, would you ask yourself if they were paid actors? I ask because , why would it be that you would even think that if a black person speaks out for the tea party, they might be "paid actors"?

Have we really come to this? "They looked sincere but they could have been paid actors"

WOW! That it was something you even thought..."paid actors" ..I fear we are in more trouble than even I thought!

1 vote

#3.9 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT

Fred-45144444

Maybe Tea Party people have jobs to go to. Not like union thugs who get paid to show up at Left Wing riots.

11 votes

#4 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:46 PM EDT

The Realist Party

Really? Why did they schedule it during the week and not on the weekend? As for me, I'll side with a union thug over a tailor park dwelling tea bagger any day of the week.

32 votes

#4.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:49 PM EDT

Maybe Tea Party people have jobs to go to. Not like union thugs who get paid to show up at Left Wing riots.

LMAO. Next you'll tell me Tony Soprano is running the White House.

Really? Why did they schedule it during the week and not on the weekend? As for me, I'll side with a union thug over a tailor park dwelling tea bagger any day of the week.

Because then how could they use the tired, old talking point that only THEY are employed, and everybody else is just living off a welfare check.

Since, you know, the five years I've been at my company? It was all for free because I REALLY live off welfare.

28 votes

#4.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:56 PM EDT

Angry Left-532262

Not like union thugs who get paid to show up

Is this job posted? I'd love to apply.....

23 votes

#4.3 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:01 PM EDT

Frank BlackDeleted

neenie1991

There was a left wing riot?

16 votes

#4.5 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:48 PM EDT

whatanoddguy

Not like union thugs who get paid to show up at Left Wing riots.

How could you join a union if you don't have a job?

19 votes

#4.6 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:41 PM EDT

How could you join a union if you don't have a job?

Hey! Stop poking sticks at the teabagger! It's like making fun of the short bus kids in high school!

;-)

Well, OK.....go ahead....what the hell they brought it on themselves..............

14 votes

#4.7 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:52 AM EDT

Fred-45144444

It's always so easy to tweak Liberals.

3 votes

#4.8 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:09 AM EDT

hvymtl83

I don't think you were tweaking the libs, Fred. I think you got caught sampling your Florsheims.

10 votes

#4.9 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:16 AM EDT

In lots of places, you HAVE to join a union BEFORE you can get a job. They really do not care if you get yours as long as they are getting theirs and yours.

3 votes

#4.10 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:15 AM EDT

I've never heard of any place that doesn't have a probationary period of at least 30 days so joining a union BEFORE you can get a job is YOUR fantasy. Learn what unions are for before saying such foolishness. Oh, nevermind. If you are a Republican you know what unions are for, fair wages and working conditions.

6 votes

#4.11 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:05 PM EDT

It's always so easy to tweak Liberals.

And even easier for people to not make any sense whatsoever......

4 votes

#4.12 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:35 PM EDT

Luke Wright

And even easier for people to not make any sense whatsoever......

Yeah...but it's more FUN to tweak liberals...

4 votes

#4.13 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:11 PM EDT

Plantsmantx

...said the Drowning Maestro;).

3 votes

#4.14 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:12 PM EDT

The decline of the unions is the reason why we are experiencing stagnant wages.

6 votes

#4.15 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:26 PM EDT

Mule: hate to burst your bubble but I know that in many places you have to join a union before they even send you out to interview for a job. The company may have a probationary period but the union does not. Unions USED to be about fair wages and safer working conditions. Fact: at one union job my husband ended up getting a pay cut through the union vote.

1 vote

#4.16 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:18 PM EDT

The decline of the unions is the reason why we are experiencing stagnant wages.

The unions are one reason we are experiencing a decline in production and jobs.

1 vote

#4.17 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:34 PM EDT

Cactusflower18, Can you please tell me what union and what places or a place where joining the union comes before the job interview?

Mule: hate to burst your bubble but I know that in many places you have to join a union before they even send you out to interview for a job.
Fact: at one union job my husband ended up getting a pay cut through the union vote.

If the union is working for the employees, it is necessary at times to make concessions in order to keep jobs. Taking a pay cut is preferable to layoffs and shutdowns.

The unions are one reason we are experiencing a decline in production and jobs.

The greed of capitalism and the disrespect for fair wages is what is polluting our Earth and poisoning our children. How much lead will we feed our children before we appreciate the American work ethic again.

5 votes

#4.18 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT

Call your local unions and ask them how it is handled. I would be very surprised if an employer under the union can hire a non-union person and let them work for 30 to 90 days.

#4.19 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:58 PM EDT

You didn't know what you were talking about. Unions do not run companies. The company hires then the employee joins the union. If the employee does not join the union AFTER he meets his probationary period, he can not continue working because it is a union shop. The union does not tell the company who they can or can not hire.

#4-16: I know that in many places you have to join a union before they even send you out to interview for a job.

#4-19: I would be very surprised if an employer under the union can hire a non-union person and let them work for 30 to 90 days.

5 votes

#4.20 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:33 PM EDT

The unions are one reason we are experiencing a decline in production and jobs.

Wow, wrong and wrong. Congrats.

The American worker is extremely productive right now. Plenty of stats will support that.

We are losing jobs due to free trade agreements, so American corporations can exploit cheap foreign labor, and import the goods back into this country, tariff-free.

The ultimate hoodwink of the American middle class, started under Clinton, accelerated under Bush.

Global economy is code word for the Great American giveaway.

As for unions, I have no use for them. We have labor laws to protect employee rights. Seniority is an affront to everything I believe. The best and most talented should advance.

2 votes

#4.21 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:04 PM EDT

Yeah...but it's more FUN to tweak liberals...

Yeah, I suppose ignorance is bliss.....

3 votes

#4.22 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:06 PM EDT

Remember when there was the ..

United Steel workers? ...they priced themselves out..made in China now

United Textile workers....they priced themselves out of the market made all over the world

#4.23 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:16 PM EDT

they priced themselves out..made in China now

Do you know what worker's rights are in China? Work standards? Hours? Pay? They are slaves and second-class citizens in a COMMUNIST nation, who by the way, knows how to game the capitalist ideology moreso than anyone in this country.

they priced themselves out of the market made all over the world

Yeah, in sweatshops with 12 year old girls and the elderly working ridiculous hours for peanuts.

I am no fan of unions, but they are not the reason jobs went overseas.

3 votes

#4.24 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:40 PM EDT

How is it possible to ship raw or salvage materials over seas, they work it into a product, then ship it back, and it costs less than working it here? Is the freight that cheap? Or is it the lack of safety and the child and slave labor that makes the difference?

Unions didn't price themselves out of the market. It's the same slavery we had before. We don't capture and import them here as property anymore. We leave them in their country and ship the materials to them. A cup of rice a day is better than a cup of rice a week.

4 votes

#4.25 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:50 PM EDT

Wow, when you put it all like that, I'm all for it.

Of course, if our national economy can evolve to the point when we can afford to have "junk" produced overseas, and still maintain a great economy here by doing more high-tech and sophisticated industries, it can still work-out just fine.

I like your views on the foreign worker, you make them sound like peons living in grass huts while toiling in some sweatshop for $500 purses that they can never afford themselves.

Some of those foreign workers rather welcome a middle class life with those jobs.

Bowls of rice? Oh man, Some might call that racism, I just call it cruel. (but then, that's why I like it)

2 votes

#4.26 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:23 AM EDT

Mike, not sure why you would think it racism? Rice is a staple in many cultures:

World rice consumption in 2002/2003 (milled basis)

Country

2002/2003

China
134,800

India
84,000

Indonesia
36,790

Bangladesh
26,250

Vietnam
17,700

Thailand
9,600

Burma
9,475

Philippines
9,105

Japan
9,000

Brazil
8,000

Korea, South
5,100

United States
3,969

Egypt
3,275

Iran
3,100

EU
2,190

Korea, North
1,950

Taiwan
1,150

South Africa
600

Others
42,607

WORLD TOTAL

408,661

What I love about you is your innocence and your willingness to jump right in. :-)

2 votes

#4.27 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:11 AM EDT

Sure, you have all those numbers, but how many bowls of gruel does that work-out to be for the peasants?

One a day, or one a week?

2 votes

#4.28 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:15 AM EDT

I've been following them on Twiter for about a month and the main account plus one county from a state far from me added me in a couple days ago. Even the main did not have many (247)followers. I think it's the main account since it gives the location as America.

10 votes

#5 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:48 PM EDT

xcomunic8ed

LOL look at the pictures of the teabaggers. Do you really think they have twitter accounts?

5 votes

#5.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:11 AM EDT

Someone is running their accounts. Must be the grandkids.

5 votes

#5.2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:09 PM EDT

say what??

Someone sprayed Roundup on their grassroots and this rally was the weeds with the most resistance. Time for another application.

15 votes

#6 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:23 PM EDT

Many People probably had to work.

10 votes

#7 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:33 PM EDT

They clearly aren't American enough, then, since they won't take a day off to FIGHT THE SOCIALIST, COMMUNIST, FACIST NAZIS!

(end sarc)

28 votes

#7.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:58 PM EDT

Somebody has to pay the bills.

10 votes

#7.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:15 PM EDT

MichelleUT.... oh no you didn't, oh yes you did. Great answer and you are so right. What MichelleUT means Tea Party people is that for all of the Tea Party talk about how the movement is bigger than anything else going on, most of them didn't even take a day off to protest and fight the big bad Gov't lead by Pres Obama or as you Tea Party people like to call him, SOCIALIST, COMMUNIST, TERRORIST AND THUG among many other nasty names that you Tea Party people use.

21 votes

#7.3 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:38 PM EDT

you Tea Party people like to call him,

You liberals like to call names too I noticed.

My comment was more tongue in cheek than anything, I mean where is your sense of humor!

I challenge you to find a comment where I have ever called President Obama one of those things.

I think it really boils down to the fact that people have decided to pick their battles. For all the left screaming that the right wants to let poor people die with no insurance, perhaps they figure that it wouldn't matter if they were there or not because Washington is not listening.

Let them continue to do as they please, they will hear as the votes are tallied, because the people are speaking.....

8 votes

#7.4 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:28 PM EDT

I think it really boils down to the fact that people have decided to pick their battles.

Translation: They gave up because there is no platform other than "I hate Obama" and we see how well that worked for Kerry in '04.

because Washington is not listening.

Correction: Washington can't hear over the screams of COMMIE, FACIST, SOCIALIST, THUG, DICTATOR, etc

Let them continue to do as they please, they will hear as the votes are tallied, because the people are speaking.....

Translation: A majority in Congress is only okay when the GOP has it

Note: There will be no major power grab - as I said on another thread...a pipe dream of sore losers

19 votes

#7.5 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:10 PM EDT

ZeroX

If the Tea Party's needs a National agenda, how about "TERM LIMITS". If every state voted on a two term and out law for all state, federal and local officials it wouldn't solve all the problems but would end the biggest boondogle in American history the"CAREER POLITICIAN". Fresh blood in D.C. is a far better alternative than blood in the streets, which is where we are headed if the madness inside the beltway does not end

8 votes

#7.6 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:17 PM EDT

I don't know about term limits but there sure as hell ought to be age limits. That includes the supreme court.

14 votes

#7.7 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:08 AM EDT

We already have term limits. It's called vote for the other person.

20 votes

#7.8 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:53 AM EDT

Zero, it is a good place to start. Most politicians right or left need to be booted.

The rabid hatred between the two parties is a big problem. One the politicians like to keep stirred because it keeps the focus off what is really happening. People are so busy trying to prove they are right(correct) and the other side is insignificant, IMO we will eventually consume ourselves. The implosion won't be pretty.

Translation: They gave up because there is no platform other than "I hate Obama"

Again nice generalization, because my goodness there can be nothing about his agenda that people don't like, it has to be personal. Attitudes like this are part of the problem.

4 votes

#7.9 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:22 AM EDT

Again nice generalization, because my goodness there can be nothing about his agenda that people don't like, it has to be personal. Attitudes like this are part of the problem.

Ummm....right. Can you tell me what their platform is, then? And keep in mind that I didn't vote for the guy.

7 votes

#7.10 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:14 AM EDT

IMO, attitudes like this

Surge Against Obama

are part of the problem.

7 votes

#7.11 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:17 AM EDT

#7.11:Surge Against Obama

Well, they (the teaparty) finally gave up the ghost and called it what it is: Anti-Obama! Nothing else. I have said it before that "Even Iron Wears Out", these people could not keep up with their lies, distortions and denial. They eventually had to call it for what it is which is the hatred of President Obama. No policies or proposals or deficits or spending, just President Obama.

So maybe they are ready to stop hemming and hawing when asked "what were they all about - and "what did they really want"? It is now being made clear by the right-wing what the Teabaggers are against, but these Teabaggers probably still are not ready to admit it yet. Some of them never will either.

btw, Carloz I imagine this will have some impact on the other recent inquiry of why there are no black faces at the teabagger parties? Asked and answered.

7 votes

#7.12 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:53 PM EDT

Jorge-958303

I would not discard that movement. The media will still give them coverage and not just one channel. Any publicity is good publicity.

Maybe some who left TP really were turned off by the apparent relationship between TP and A political party. The for profit conference for sure ticked off some.

6 votes

#8 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:13 PM EDT

Algoresux

George Marez sez: teabagging....please keep your personal sex habits to yourself.

4 votes

#9 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:16 PM EDT

George Marez

Sorry. I'll try better next time...

6 votes

#9.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:20 PM EDT

Don't knock teabagging....until you try it................it's actually fun................

7 votes

#9.2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:54 AM EDT

Profchaos

the people who feel that they are over taxed are the ones who are working. so maybe, just maybe, people had to work to earn their living today....

9 votes

#10 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:41 PM EDT

Darkwood

That's because employment is going up.

11 votes

#10.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:09 PM EDT

Profchaos

it is? at last check, 20K jobs were lost in feb....

4 votes

#10.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:02 PM EDT

cappiez

If they're taxed enough already, wouldn't it make more sense NOT to go to work so they're not paying more taxes? Just askin'.

6 votes

#10.3 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:10 PM EDT

This is so funny. Wow, all of the Fox News talking heads could not get their big audience to attend. What happen to one of the biggest and brightest day to be for the Tea Party that was to be. This has to hurt the Tea Party people like Dick Armey and the rest of the people in charge.

Also look at the people on here trying to explain what happen today. It had to be a sorry site to look at for you backers of the Tea Party

14 votes

#11 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:42 PM EDT

Also look at the people on here trying to explain what happen today. It had to be a sorry site to look at for you backers of the Tea Party

And the most popular 'explanation' here so far amounts to a juvenile taunt of, "We have to work, people who aren't Tea Partiers don't." 8-/

21 votes

#11.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:55 PM EDT

DS04

What happen to one of the biggest and brightest day to be for the Tea Party that was to be.

Ok I wonder how many tea partiers will be out for St. Patrick's Day? I would guess this event will be bi-partisian?

4 votes

#11.2 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:35 PM EDT

Carloz..... tell me about it. This event has been take about for about a couple weeks. I seem to remember a few people with big mouth and loud voices telling us that there are going to be a lot of people at this event. This is so embarrassing. Where was the darling Palin at. Oh wait, she couldn't make any money off of this.

17 votes

#12 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:10 PM EDT

Where was the darling Palin at. Oh wait, she couldn't make any money off of this.

So true, Lifeisgood43!!!

13 votes

#12.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:24 PM EDT

She was holding out for $100,000 speaking fee that she could use for the good of America....through her private PAC.....which will get her an American Express Black card for use at Neimen-Marcus.

7 votes

#12.2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:57 AM EDT

say what??

On the 15th she was in Alan Grayson's (D - Floida) district urging his ouster and had to keep her remarks appropriate for children because daughter Piper was with her. In response to her push for his ouster, Grayson described her as a Wild Alaskan Dingbat.

6 votes

#12.3 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:06 AM EDT

Jorge-958303

Palin is a mere opportunist. She's taking advantage of her newfound fame.

TPers should be very wary of her.

11 votes

#13 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:50 PM EDT

Joanna Caroll

In NJ, a state appellate court ruled (yesterday) that a group of New Jersey tea party activists can continue in their efforts to recall Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez. This is a victory for the Tea Party although their chance for success is, thankfully, nil. The 'faces' at protests are, imo, a nice group of mostly seniors out enjoying a free bus ride, a free box lunch, and all they have to do is carry a silly sign. Behind the scenes are some pretty determined organizers - you may not see them but as NJ found out, they're there and they mean business. The TP's can claim they're not affiliated with right wing groups, that they welcome all, but they are most certainly aligned with Liberty Counsel - and the LC should make all Americans want to gag!

14 votes

#14 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:51 PM EDT

Thanks for the info, Joanna. Liberty Counsel

7 votes

#14.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:53 PM EDT

Ninbyo

You'd think with campaigns revving up, with the primaries and all, with health care so close to a final vote, they'd be all over the place. Sounds to me like running on pure emotion and fear isn't a sustainable platform for a political party.

There's a little thing I like to call fear fatigue, eventually after being in a state of prolonged fear, you start to be desensitized to it. Or you go the other way and batcrap crazy paranoid jumping at shadows.

The GOP and Tea Party may well be "the boy that cried wolf". Which isn't a good thing for anyone, because at the end the wolf does finally show up. By using these constant fear tactics over nothing, we may end up missing real warning signs for problems in the long run.

In summary, I think at the moment anyway, the momentum is swinging away from the hard right. This Tea Party frenzy of 2009 was a last grasp at straws from a party and demographic on it's way out.

12 votes

#15 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:03 PM EDT

Very well said, Ninbyo. Fear-mongering can only go so far -- when the dire predictions don't come true, many people start to settle down and get more rational.

10 votes

#15.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:44 AM EDT

xcomunic8ed

So too much tea partying will turn you into Michelle Bachmann?

3 votes

#15.2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:20 AM EDT

patent

carloz actually i think fear mongering can go very far. It is continually being the bases of almost every political campaign for the last couple of decades. Fear is easy to promote, spread and manipulate. People of power have relied on fear to control the populous for centuries. Even today with more information available, fear will always be staple of people to maintain or accrue power.

2 votes

#15.3 - Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:13 AM EDT

UVA

Even the free box lunch and the bus ride with Three Stooges DVD's aren't enough to get them from in front of JERRY SPRINGER.

8 votes

#16 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:04 PM EDT

ScienceGuy-356641

It's okay. FOX News will run stock footage of Super Bowl parties in the background while claiming that a million patriotic protesters were present at the rally.

13 votes

#17 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:43 PM EDT

cappiez

No complaints as long as it's the Colts' Superbowl parties.

5 votes

#17.1 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:55 PM EDT

xcomunic8ed

ROFL cause the Saints Super Bowl party would look like a crazy left wing riot.

3 votes

#17.2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:23 AM EDT

cappiez

For me, it's just because I'm a Colts fan, so I just want to bring back memories..

2 votes

#17.3 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:45 PM EDT

http://michaellonkouski.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/16/4027875-limbaugh-prompts-healthcare-calls-ties-up-house-phone-lines-thehillcom

What about this?

Does it reflect the same reality?

Not everyone is standing somewhere with a sign!

3 votes

#18 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:25 PM EDT

Hey Mike, that was a comedy piece, right?

5 votes

#18.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:52 AM EDT

Well, I am laughing, so maybe there is some comedy hidden in there.

I guess this debate will come down to "He who laughs last" (or she)

2 votes

#18.2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:32 PM EDT

PoliticoMan-1635309

Proud American - 252641

The tea partiers are not the only one's speaking, just the ones making the most noise. Do really believe the tea party movement truely represents our entire nation? I don't. And as for the left screaming that the right wants to let poor people die, I remember half governor Palin and Senator Grassley and others republicans talking about death panals and grandma facing her demise if this bill passes. The left isn't making anything up but I can't say that for the right. You are right though, people do have the right to pick their battles and I believe if this bill passes and people see positive results before the midterm elections the people will pick their battles at the voting booth. Then and only then will the people be in a better position to determine who was telling the truth and who wasn't.

12 votes

#19 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:02 AM EDT

oneforall

What a shame more people failed to attend another tea party where the Mad Hater spoke. Oh well, I' m sure there'll be another and next time we'll hear from the Jabberwacky or maybe Tweedle Dick and Tweedle Dumb.

7 votes

#20 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:16 AM EDT

What a shame more people failed to attend another tea party where the Mad Hater spoke.

And here she is!

6 votes

#20.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:40 AM EDT

Once they realized what teabagger really means, they started to go down hill...................

5 votes

#21 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:47 AM EDT

rls8r

Nah -

I voted 'lull'. After all - March is an 'iffy' time of year in DC with respect to weather. It's chilly - and often damp and windy. The kids are still in school. Folks have to work. Folks within driving distance of DC have just come through a long, cold, snowy winter and there are floods in the Northeast. Perhaps many have taken their trailers and campers to Florida and are not up for the drive back for such a short stay. March Madness starts the day after the planned event. And most importantly - TV programming hasn't entered the re-run season yet.

I suspect that the opposition to 'big government' isn't strong enough to overcome all those negatives - but we can look forward to seeing an increase in attendance to events planned in the summer, when 'vacation season' and 're-run season' combine to form a perfect storm with 'anti-government' season. Hot time...summer in the city...don'cha know.

4 votes

#22 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:29 AM EDT

Tony Wlliams

I think it's a slow death until gone. People seem to be starting to understand that their protesting things which will help them. Joe the Magic Man for McSame almost lost his house but Obama's new policies allowed him to save it and he is now a spokesmen for the tea party movement but has to thank Obama. Ironic and sad at the same time. Not to mention clueless Barbie is getting old fast and the only way she could draw a real crowd now requires the use of body oil an a large ring to fight someone in.

5 votes

#23 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:54 AM EDT

AdipicAcid

Kind of like ANSWER. There was a huge surge at the front, when people were angry or scared about the war, but support quickly (and predictably) dwindled pretty quickly. The Tea Partiers are the same fringe, only from the right instead of the left.

4 votes

#23.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:55 AM EDT

Luther28

The party never started. Nothing more than the typical flash in the pan as with most fringe organizations. To establish themselves one must have an attention span longer than that of a gnat, that disqualifies most Americans. The Tea Party goes the way of the Dixiecrats, the Reform Party etc., the latest arrival on the ash heap of history.

3 votes

#24 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:12 AM EDT

Well, I guess we'll have to wait until November to REALLY see, won't we?

4 votes

#25 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:21 AM EDT

jmorris

But will you be satisified with the results?

What if the majority of America *doesn't* vote how you want? What if the Conservatives (i.e. GOP) don't take back a majority in the House and Senate (which seems likely). What if, with all the retirements on both sides, there ends up being basically no change in the House and Senate makeup (unlikely but possible)

What will you do then? Honest question here, what will you do to "Save America from Socialism"?

1 vote

#25.1 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT

jmorris -

Whether Tea Party members or groups of other like minded voters, I don't think anyone can deny the importance of this next election cycle. Many have expressed concern that it's "make-or-break" time for our republic. This statement is not made simply because Obama is President; It is a result of dismay over what has been taking place for decades (including the Bush(s) years).

At this time, we are interviewing candidates for local, state and federal office to see what they stand for. Once we choose from amongst these, we will do what we can to get them elected.

In answer to your question, we must wake up and monitor those we elect to prevent them from straying further from the course set upon by our forefathers. If we can't turn things around, I'm afraid the country that I love will go the way of the Roman Empire.

I guess the short answer is: Everything I can . . .

3 votes

#25.2 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:53 AM EDT

it's "make-or-break" time for our republic.

And histrionic, exaggerated, all-or-nothing statements like this are part of the problem, too.

6 votes

#25.3 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:20 AM EDT

Sorry to offend you, Carloz; It's what I and MANY others believe, however.

I regret to leave such good company, but it's time for me to meet my wife for lunch.

Good day, all.

2 votes

#25.4 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:42 AM EDT

#25.3:And histrionic, exaggerated, all-or-nothing statements like this are part of the problem, too.

You're absolutely correct! How can anyone be so rigid and structured to be so black/white, win/lose, all/nothing? No in-between, no middle ground! You will lose each time trying to get it all! imo, it also sounds very selfish and greedy.

5 votes

#25.5 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT

MaryEllen :

You're right: It's not easy being me . . . I help everyone in every way I can, and you call me selfish and greedy.

I've worked for 34 years, sometimes TWO jobs (as presently) and have no doubt given more money away than I have kept for myself. My point is that I chose to do so; I don't need the government to decide what happens with my money. It sounds crazy, but I consider myself fiscally conservative yet very generous.

In truth, I believe the liberal mindset is a necessary part of our humanity. It offers interactions with many alternate views and subjects as discussions and debates take place. Without liberalism, we would be diminished as a whole.

My point is that our government should not interfere in our lives; We should be in charge of ourselves. I believe that if the government keeps growing (and spending too much) that it will be unable to live up to Its own "lofty" goals. In short: Conservative Constitutionalism is the way to provide a more sound future for everyone, be they left or right.

Well, this concludes my rant for the moment. Let the bashing continue!

2 votes

#25.6 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:10 PM EDT

Honest question here, what will you do to "Save America from Socialism"?

Not sure how to answer that considering that were not headed toward a socialist state?

Unless of course you mean getting rid of the socialism we already have, like social security, medicare, police departments, fire departments, etc?

8 votes

#25.7 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:15 PM EDT

George Marez

Aye,

And Democracy and Capitalism are not co-dependent.

5 votes

#25.8 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:22 PM EDT

Sorry to offend you, Carloz; It's what I and MANY others believe, however.

Saying things like "it's 'make-or-break' time for our republic" doesn't offend me, it makes me roll my eyes towards the heavens, and it makes it hard for me to take seriously other things that come from people making extreme statements like that.

8 votes

#25.9 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:53 PM EDT

#25.6:I've worked for 34 years, sometimes TWO jobs (as presently) and have no doubt given more money away than I have kept for myself. My point is that I chose to do so; I don't need the government to decide what happens with my money. It sounds crazy, but I consider myself fiscally conservative yet very generous.In truth, I believe the liberal mindset is a necessary part of our humanity. It offers interactions with many alternate views and subjects as discussions and debates take place. Without liberalism, we would be diminished as a whole.My point is that our government should not interfere in our lives; We should be in charge of ourselves. I believe that if the government keeps growing (and spending too much) that it will be unable to live up to Its own "lofty" goals. In short: Conservative Constitutionalism is the way to provide a more sound future for everyone, be they left or right.

I have worked for 46 years so I am happy to see that someone else besides myself have also worked. But I don't think that the government is trying to dictate how you handle you own money. Paying taxes is a given and a "necessary evil" to live in a free country such as the United States. Do you know of anyone who truly enjoys paying taxes? I don't. Please note that the government has always "interfered" in our lives, starting when they issued a social security card to "keep track" of us.

This administration has to spend $$$ in order to keep the country going; expenditures are required in order to have the necessary funding for services that we all seem to love, like better highways to drive our fine cars on.

The point I continue to make is that this the NOT the first President - and won't be the last- that will have to spend money and/or raise taxes to provide American citizens with what is needed. (This President even allocated for a tax cut for 95% of American citizens that no one wishes to remember or talk about!)

All of the presidents have spent money so why is everybody moaning when this President wishes to also? There did not seem to be a protest when gwb not only spent all of our money, but did not include any of the Wars that he propelled us into in his budget but left for this President to add to his, and in addition he sent the money overseas. Where was this outrage and anger then?

The President of the United States has to be a visionary for all of its citizens which means he must look to the future [green industries, climate change, health care for all], and not stay stuck in the status quo, afraid to make a move because some people are not ready to go forward.

There will never be a "right" time, imo. I also believe there is never a better time than "right now", because nothing comes to a sleeper but a dream!

5 votes

#25.10 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:38 PM EDT

It is the president's responsibility to direct the future AS the PEOPLE want - not his place to decide for us. Nor is it our other elected officials jobs or rights to go against our wishes. They have taken too much for granted by ignoring us. People want health care reform but not in the form he and much of Congress want. Their attitude is wrong. Their methods are wrong.

#25.11 - Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:55 PM EDT