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GOP didn't act then, why would it now?

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"Starting over with a clean piece of paper." That's what Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., third-ranking Re-publican in the House, called for...

Pence sat in Congress during the eight years of the George W. Bush administration and was given a clean piece of paper every morning. He did zip about health care. His fellow Republicans like Sen. Mitch McConnell are singing the same song ad nauseam.

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Carloz

Why on earth should we think, given yet another clean piece of paper, that now, for some reason, they'd do something?

Good question, Rose Marie -- and one I'd like to hear Republicans and their supporters try to answer! It seems to me that when it comes to health care reform, the GOP is all talk, no action -- unless, you consider obstructing and saying NO action.

  • 25 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Mar 7, 2010 4:08 PM EST
FredC

The Pubs want to start over again because they can claim credit for killing this bill and having a major hand in the new bill! (if it ever gets written by election time!) It's electioneering at its best!

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 9:08 AM EST
webslinger

Fred,

No disrespect intended as I get the point of your post, but remember, the GOP DID have a hand in crafting the current legislation - ALL VERSIONS. Despite the talking points, they were never shut out, they were never excluded, their arguments were heard, their amendments were voted on....and many were INCLUDED. Despite the proof of such, they will never admit it and their "supporters" on the Vine and in other places will never bother to actually LOOK at the facts.

The GOP is all about electioneering and politics, never about policy or working for the good of the American people. As pointed out, if healthcare reform was important to them, they literally had DECADES to do something, but instead have either stood against it (see Medicare) or have done nothing.

  • 13 votes
#1.2 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 11:19 AM EST
waffle

Close. The Republicans want credit for killing the bill. Then, as they failed to act in the six years when they controlled all three branches of government, and as they failed to act when the new Obama administration bent over backwards to try and bring them on board, they will fail to act when the time comes to 'start over'.

One must see a situation as a problem before one is willing to work to fix it.

  • 7 votes
#1.3 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 11:23 AM EST
FredC

Webslinger:

No disrespect taken. In fact, I agree wholeheartedly with you. Remember, when it came to actually voting for the parts they included, they voted against their own suggestions! I dont know why their supporters keep insisting they had no input to this bill! Just refuse to accept the truth, I guess!

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 11:31 AM EST
webslinger

The "supporters" only know what they are told by their "handlers" - they parrot the same identical talking points again and again, completely devoid of facts or reality.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 11:40 AM EST
GaryColumbus

The only time the GOP/RNC galvanizes into action is when regulations or reforms are to be instituted. Then they put all their energy into fighting against any and all rules that could be applied to big business. In other words the economy collapse is their fault but don't expect them to do anything about it especially take any responsibility what so ever. That's why they loved George 2.0 W so much. He was just a natural dumba$$ and fuk up, and if the sh1t ever hits the fan on their policies of corruption they could just blame George just like they did his father.

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:35 PM EST
follow the money

not to forget this one...

bushivism propaganda...if you repeat a lie five times, it becomes the truth..here: http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/07/edi05058.html

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:11 PM EST
rkymtnwoman

I was working in health care during the insane Bush years. He and his corporate hos allowed the insurance companies to go wild, along with Wall Street and greedy corporations.

Here is the GOP health care issue: SAVE TERRI SHIAVO!

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 9:25 PM EST
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John Franklin Mason

, the GOP is all talk, no action -- unless, you consider obstructing and saying NO action.

Obstructing and saying no is action. The GOP complains that Democrats don't consider their idea's for hearth care when their idea is not to mess with the status quo.

  • 16 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Mar 7, 2010 4:40 PM EST
California Militia

so why didnt the democrats just pass the bill when they had the super majority?

who was the obstruction then?

and dont kid yourself... they are ALL about electionism regardless of party affilliation.

    #2.1 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST
    Minan59

    110th Congress (2007-2009)

    Majority Party: Democrat (49 seats)

    Minority Party: Republican (49 seats)

    Other Parties: 1Independent; 1 Independent Democrat

    Total Seats: 100

    Note: Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut was reelected in 2006 as an Independent, and became an Independent Democrat. Senator Bernard Sanders of Vermont was elected as an Independent.

    When did they have a super majority?

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:33 PM EST
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    Ron Christman

    It is amazing to me that Republicans like Pence get on television and spout BS like they do assuming that we've all forgotten how badly they screwed up during the Bush administration. The best is when they say that it was all Bush's fault like we are to believe that they weren't in congress and in control at the same time.

    Can anyone name one member of the GOP in the congress or the senate who isn't a lying jackass?!?!

    • 15 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Mar 7, 2010 5:09 PM EST
    StevG-144

    The republicans would love for the democrats to give them a clean piece of paper, and we could start all over, all the way back to the beginning. Think of the time we could waste, maybe all the way to the next election. Of course we still won't ever vote for it, unless you give us exactly what we want. We can still throw up are hands an shed tears for the press, that the democrats won't work with us, and we tried real hard to.

    • 16 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Mar 7, 2010 6:05 PM EST
    Carloz

    Think of the time we could waste, maybe all the way to the next election.

    And that is exactly their hope -- obstruct and obfuscate until November.

    • 14 votes
    #4.1 - Sun Mar 7, 2010 6:33 PM EST
    TomMichigan1

    StevG=144>Carloz>> BINGO! WELL SAID! Thank you and other fine Americans just like you who can see through the smoke and mirrors of the GOP! Every time health care looks even close to happening you have the Gop crying about some other issue>to many Limbaughs,Becks,Liz and Poppa cheny crying foul about something that really doesnt matter.... cause they have all been on the truth ometer and found that they are all LIES!

    America,and Americans deserve better than that.

    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:24 PM EST
    Carloz

    America,and Americans deserve better than that.

    Yes, we do!

    • 2 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST
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    Better Careful

    They mean to have a piece of legislation ready to debate if not by the end of this millennium, certainly by the end of the next. What happens in that debate is anybody's guess; perhaps they will need to begin again, again.

    Every moment we don't get a health care access bill, it's more money in their pockets. It's all about the money.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#5 - Sun Mar 7, 2010 6:43 PM EST
    Carloz

    Every moment we don't get a health care access bill, it's more money in their pockets. It's all about the money.

    So sad, but so true, PD.

    • 10 votes
    #5.1 - Sun Mar 7, 2010 6:46 PM EST
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    ron c. baker sr.

    in the mean time, those of us who are disabled, yet do not qualify for medicare, YET, simply...DIE!!!

    luv,

    ron

    • 8 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 8:34 AM EST
    Al 616

    It's a ruse. Senate Republicans don't want to start over. I swear, this is a pathetically transparent case of "Lucy yanking the football away from Charlie Brown" that I've seen. (And like Lucy, those of you who have had a hand in it should be bitch-slapped).

    They are only saying this now because they now know that Dems have caught on to their little schtick and will start passing everything using reconciliation. Once Dems have drunk from that heady power and uses it once, there will be no stopping them. And the Republicans want to delay stop that one before it gets started.

    Too late, Senate Republicans. You had multiple chances to cooperate. You didn't. You blocked. You obstructed. You proposed bills that you later voted against because it would have made the Dems look good. Just STFU now and watch the Dems reconcile.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 9:36 AM EST
    RI Mom

    This is just finishing up...

    Monday, March 8, 2010 noon..

    The President of the United States is on CNN & MSNBC talking about HEALTH CARE in a live speech. He is addressing concerns point by point.

    On FOX...they are are ignoring the President.

    Fair & Balanced????

    Or so blatently one-sided that it reeks ?

    • 10 votes
    Reply#8 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:06 PM EST
    Carloz

    On FOX...they are are ignoring the President.

    Fair & Balanced????

    Or so blatently one-sided that it reeks ?

    Well, you've reported, I'll decide: the GOP-FOX News reeks!

    • 5 votes
    #8.1 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 12:44 PM EST
    TomMichigan1

    RI MOM >lolololol i believe you are refering to FIXXED NEWS? lolololol yes a huge spin machine that by nature spreads blatant LIES 24/7.........

    • 2 votes
    #8.2 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST
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    Free Mason-1490678Deleted
    d.b.-661337

    The GOP have been working on health care for 50 years now. now they want to start over. WTF

    • 3 votes
    Reply#10 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST
    WhyIt

    The only reason they want a "clean sheet of paper" is to wipe their butts with it.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#11 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 8:38 PM EST
    renard

    I have been asking the same question every since I have been on the Newsvine...,

    If the Republicans had a plan for health care reform, and had meant to do something about it why didn't they implement it when they had all 3 branches of government from 2000 to 2006?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#12 - Mon Mar 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST
    Pretorian

    This debate has been going on for nearly 100 years. It originally started with Teddy Roosevelt. IT was brought up again with FDR during the New Deal and his call for a 2nd Bill of Rights. Both times it was soundly rejected as it was contrary to the intent of the Constitution as it would give government entirely too much power. The intent of the founders was limited government and the Constitution was designed to be the toll of that limited government, however should the people decide that the was an issue of such magnitude that the government should address it the Constitution could be amend it to reflect the will of the people. We as a society have done this several times I do not see why it cannot be done now as it should be. If the founders intended universal healthcare for all it would have been in the bill of rights and the enumerated powers clause, it is neither. Pestilence, Disease, and Death are not new and occurred much more frequently then and for far greater reasons than it does now yet universal health care remains absent in our founding documents.

    Additionally it is not legal for the government to require the general population to purchase as service. The feds have the ability to levy taxes which could be used to indirectly mandate the purchasing of the service thus skirting the intent of our founding documents. If you all want to avoid all of the problems and the certain Supreme Court challenge just amend the Constitution. The only entities that have the authority to establish healthcare are the individual states. However as it is constituted today nearly all or all depending on who and what you read suggest that state funded healthcare does not work and at a minimum leads to cost overruns or are driving the states towards insolvency.

    You look at Europe, and Canada you have the same problem, and not nearly the same population within the individual countries, enormous taxes, long waits, and if you have the money you come to the use to receive life saving surgery in a timely manner. The only thing those countries may have going for them is inexpensive medical drugs, but the system as a whole is abysmal.

      Reply#13 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 12:28 PM EST
      newsblog903

      Why nothing gets done- because they get lots of lobby money from insurance companies to do nothing.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#14 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 1:20 PM EST
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