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Sen. Lindsey Graham censured by local Republican Party for bipartisan efforts - S. Carolina rift highlights debate over GOP

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The county party, which has traditionally been considered moderate, voted by a wide margin to censure Mr. Graham in harsh terms.

Their grievance list was long: it cited the senator for calling opponents of immigration law change "bigots," holding the Republican Party "hostage" by participating in bipartisan maneuvers, voting for the Wall Street bailout and tarnishing the ideals of freedom.

It even criticized Mr. Graham, a Republican and the state's senior senator, as having "stated on many occasions that his primary concern is to 'be relevant.' "

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Carloz

The party had no such criticism for the other senator from South Carolina, Jim DeMint.

In fact, Mr. DeMint, a Republican in his first term, is the leader of a movement to pull the party in the opposite direction from Mr. Graham’s conciliatory approach. The political action committee he founded, called the Senate Conservatives Fund, backs only candidates who are rock-solid conservatives, and adherents to his views have led the efforts to censure Mr. Graham.

  • 14 votes
#1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:40 AM EST
Carloz

More on the GOP's exposing it's "big tent" myth.

  • 21 votes
#1.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:46 AM EST
DragonWoman

They really are making it easy for the Democrats

and killing their party.

  • 20 votes
#1.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:31 AM EST
JoulesBeef

we can only hope the far right wingers that brought us this mess and nearly destroyed this country, will self destruct.

  • 19 votes
#1.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:30 PM EST
Paul Lucero

Necons are a plague on the Republican Party and the state is just prompting them to jump ship to the Democrat party or yet better into the ether!

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:07 PM EST
Kim-298921

GOP Implosion.

Hahahahaaa.

:::makes popcorn::::

  • 11 votes
#1.5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:08 PM EST
MichelleUT

I am honestly surprised it took this long. He did vote for Sotomayor.

What's funny, though, are their reasons. Basically, he compromised - therefore he isn't a "real" Republican.

  • 17 votes
#1.6 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:21 PM EST
DragonWoman

Oh come on Michelle... What is a "Real Republican" in your eyes?

someone who prays before the coming of Sarah Palin?

There was nothing wrong with Sotomayor.

  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:42 PM EST
MichelleUT

Uh, yeah, I'm not GOP, DragonWoman.

You missed my sarcasm.

The GOP is a joke.

  • 10 votes
#1.8 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:21 PM EST
Ninbyo

A politician is elected to represent his district, not just the party members in his district. They can censure him all they want, but politics involves compromise by it's very nature. If you're unwilling to compromise, you're painting yourself in a corner.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:58 PM EST
BelindaK

The "we have to stick together or else" threat is stupid, childish and annoying. Heaven forbid someone actually use their own brain.

  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:49 PM EST
Buckeye Voter

What is a "Real Republican" in your eyes? someone who prays before the coming of Sarah Palin?

Yep. Those are the real Republicans.

Repeat after me,

Sarah Palin, real Republican; Rush Limbaugh, real Republican; George W. Bush, real Republican; Dick Cheney, real Republican; Michelle Bachman, real Republican.

  • 9 votes
#1.11 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:08 PM EST
gamerk2

Anyone shocked? Hence, why people (Spectre) are now "solid" dems (Voting for Healthcare). We'll lose a few moderates (blue-dogs) down south, but gain big in northern states (NY-23 anyone :D).

Basically, it used to be that Democrats were contained to the northeast and California; now Republicans are contained to the deep south.

More troubling for Republicans, is that several states they have traditionally held with few problems are starting to flip: Georgia, Virginia, North Carolinia, and even Texas are becomming competitive. Even if they stay Republican, its more resources the party doesn't have elsewhere.

Note that every state listed above is a costal state. Big cities tend to grow near coasts, and democrats do very, very well in large cities. As these states continue to grow, the gardually lean leftward.

I think the GOP will either implode (with Blue Dog Democrats taking their place), or be phased out simply due to popultaion growth.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:38 PM EST
Tdon

What kind of costume/medallion do you get to wear as a "Defender of Liberty" recipient? Give me a break, unless super heroes are a swing demographic why would anyone except such an outrageous title as DofL. Do ya get a sidekick with that too; "Token Minority" and the "Dog that is only Slightly Racist." And the Republican party wonders why we sometimes think they might be out of touch with reality.

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:29 AM EST
reddirthippy

More on the GOP's exposing it's "big tent" myth

they are fast becoming the Pup Tent Party

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:06 AM EST
DragonWoman

Uh, yeah, I'm not GOP, DragonWoman.

You missed my sarcasm.

The GOP is a joke.

Sorry, my bad =(

You know I thought to look around and see if it was sarcasm, but could not find anything to compare it to.

Peace =}

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:22 PM EST
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CarlozRestored

More on the GOP's exposing it's "big tent" myth.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:42 AM EST
Carloz

Sorry about the double post -- here's a link to a related article: I'm Enjoying This

Senator Lindsey Graham is censured by the mighty Charleston County Republican Party for -- shock and horrors! -- compromising with the opposition on Cap and Trade.

Now, I thought that's what was supposed to happen in legislative bodies -- compromise. Not for the Angry Republicans however. They prefer ideological purity and dictatorial governance.

Where did we last see something like that?

  • 10 votes
#2.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:49 AM EST
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Angry Left-532262

So, unfortunatly I was born and spent most of my life up until my mid teens in South Carolina. I am one of the fortunate few that managed to make it out of there. I can tell you first hand this is a backwards and ignorant State. What makes it worse is that most are proud of being backwards and ignorant.

Just read some of South Carolina's history and it kinda paints a picture. First to leave the union last to go back. Read about Congressman Preston Brooks, he beat another congressman almost to death with his cane for making a speech against slavery. Look at Strom Thurmonds record of being a pro segregationist. They kept electing him into his 80's-90s'.

When I lived there Strom Thurmond was still alive and the confederate flag still flew over the capital building. I know people are going to say "It's changed since then....they took the flag down." That's true they took it down and put it on a monument to the confederate soldiers in the back yard of the capital. The Klan still has a yearly march in downtown Columbia. I doubt it has changed very much, change comes slowly if at all down there.

It doesn't astonish me that they censured Graham. What's funny is that most people I know, don't even consider him that "moderate".

Graham get's censured....Sanford just gets debated about....and the you lie guy gets made a hero. How backwards can you get?

  • 18 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:30 AM EST
Al 616

Wow, I guess he didn't pass the "Purity Test."

I wonder what other organizations in the world's past marginalized those who were "impure."

It starts with social marginalization. Then it continues with socioeconomic and political marginalization and ostracization. It continues with the enactment of social policies. It usually ends with gas chambers.

  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:24 PM EST
3sheets2thewind

WOW I never knew that Lindsey Graham was a moderate, I have always thought of him as pretty hard core conservative!!

If they consider him a moderate then they really will never be a viable political national party again and will only be a southern regional fringe movement with few if any moderate or independent voters willing to cast their ballots for the GOP candidate, yeah!

  • 14 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:39 PM EST
Carloz

WOW I never knew that Lindsey Graham was a moderate, I have always thought of him as pretty hard core conservative!!

Of course he's no moderate -- and I doubt those folks in SC don't realize that. It sounds like they aren't just rejecting moderation, but any disagreement. It's the old "you're either with us, or against us" mind-set.

If they consider him a moderate then they really will never be a viable political national party again and will only be a southern regional fringe movement with few if any moderate or independent voters willing to cast their ballots for the GOP candidate, yeah!

That's pretty much it, 3sheets.

  • 10 votes
#5.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:50 PM EST
Angry Left-532262

In a post above (#3), I said that no one I knew called him moderate either. I just did a quick poll of the people here at work (medical research(all have BS or higher)).

There are 6 people here besides me;

Of those 6,

2 didn't know who he was (didn't surprise me from them though)

4 knew him and none called him a moderate,

3 of those 4 called him highly conservative.

Not scientific and only 4 people, but still interesting that most of the people that know who he is consider him a strong conservative

It doesn't surprise me that SC would consider him moderate, in the same state that loves Joe Wilson.

  • 5 votes
#5.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:53 PM EST
Ninbyo

He's no moderate, but the Neocons in SC are so far to the right that anything looks left. It's a good thing they're wrong about the whole flat Earth thing, or they'd have fallen off the side long ago.

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:01 PM EST
Al 616

I just did a quick poll of the people here at work (medical research(all have BS or higher)).

@Angry Left: Be careful. You'll now be labeled one of those "elitists" because you listed academic achievement as a desirable trait.

How durst thee!

  • 2 votes
#5.4 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:31 PM EST
NonPartisan_American

Much confusion & division between the Party some View him as Hardcore Republican, Others seem as a Neo-con, others say he is a moderate but most people say he is a RINO Cause as Carloz stated either you're with us or against. Anyone see this Town Hall Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqMLZbW_Lb8

  • 2 votes
#5.5 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:39 PM EST
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Tony in Arizona

The GOP censuring their elected officials for trying to work cooperatively on behalf of the American people. Nuff Said!

  • 13 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:20 PM EST
Metal Guitarist

Soon to become an independent. The RNC is becoming too crazy-even for the likes of Lindsay Graham.

  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:47 PM EST
Better Careful

Indeed, Tony, 'nuff said. But I can't resist saying more.

The USA is a republic. The essence of a republic is representative government. We choose our representatives by popular vote, via democracy. They serve their electorate, at least in theory. They arrive at decisions via deliberation and discussion. Compromise is an inevitable and desirable part of that. That's not the case with the GOP, not any longer.

I remember when things were different. I remember when our system actually worked. It doesn't work any longer. The GOP will not work with the Democrats. The GOP will not listen to any point of view other than their own. The GOP insists that theirs is the only voice which counts. Now the GOP will not listen to its own, and will drum them out of the Party for impurity.

I remember Majority Leader Frist telling the Democrats that he needed only "a majority of the majority" to pass legislation. That meant as few as 30 votes could carry the day. The GOP shut the opposition out of debate entirely when they held majorities in both houses. That was something new and nasty, at least in my lifetime.

The roots of that nastiness trace to Reagan. The GOP used racism to gain voters in the South and began campaigns to appeal to emotion and tribalism as a way to keep their voters in line and on the rolls. Fear was their weapon of choice. Bill Frist, Tom Delay, Karl Rove, George W. Bush, and Dick Cheney "perfected" this strategy to the point where Americans turn away from it, and from them. They self-destructed, in less than a decade, taking their Party, our nation, and much of the world with them.

Unable to face that failure - those series of epic failures - the GOP again embraces the very strategy and ideology which led them to loss. The way to make a name for oneself in the GOP is to move further to the right, to become more extreme. There is always somebody willing to make that move. There are always people willing to follow. In a Party dedicated to self, selfishness, and self-righteousness, it becomes inevitable, it becomes karma, it becomes fate that the group, the Party itself, will die at the hands of those who claim it as their own. The fear they sought to reap upon the masses has turned inward, as the masses have turned away.

They care not for a republic. They cannot abide democracy. Their urge is to control without debate, without doubt, and without question. This is anti-American and un-American. Indeed, the GOP has declared that the very government which they seek to control is evil! They seek to destroy the government upon which they so depended for their free ride. They wish to eliminate the middle-man between the American citizen, the American taxpayer, and their corporate cronies.

They have become fascists, and given the opportunity, will rule ruthlessly. The move is further and further to the right. The rhetoric is more and more poisonous. The ideology is less and less supportable. We're better off they're out of power, and we're better off keeping them out of power, at least until they can demonstrate a respect for our political system, our republic, our democracy, and our government.

They're becoming dangerous. Some in their ranks think that's a good thing. What does that say, what does that tell you?

  • 11 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:16 PM EST
SuperSaiyan

Nothing they do surprises me anymore...

Yet another example of the debate within the gop between moderates and ideologues.

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:46 PM EST
Right to Secede

Boot Lindsay Graham and all incumbents out of congress.

2010 it's time to take our country back!

    Reply#10 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:36 PM EST
    grraceDeleted
    krounded

    Good Grief!

    If they are pulling this litmus test on Lindsey Graham, there is no limit to the purge. This guy is hardly a bastion of Liberal thinking and action.

    What the hell do you have to do to belong to the Republican party today?..........Eat dehydrated bits of Ronald Reagan for communion?............Get Dick Cheney to come to your kid's birthday party? ......Bath in tea?

    • 5 votes
    Reply#12 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:24 PM EST
    grraceDeleted
    krounded

    Maybe cocktails made from anti-freeze?

    Nope........Republicans would not drink something blue.

    • 1 vote
    #12.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:41 PM EST
    DragonWoman

    What the hell do you have to do to belong to the Republican party today?..........Eat dehydrated bits of Ronald Reagan for communion?............Get Dick Cheney to come to your kid's birthday party? ......Bath in tea?

    What is funny is they forget who Ronald Reagan really was.

    • 2 votes
    #12.3 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:25 PM EST
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    billy-witchdoctor-com

    You really think that is bad....heres one for you lefties that point out what I mean..........

    "Joe Lieberman actually cares about what is best for this country, even though a Democrat, he is a good man."

      Reply#13 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:17 PM EST
      Burlap Mudflap

      billy

      re#13

      Joe is not a Dem. and for sale to the highest bidder.

      • 2 votes
      #13.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:27 PM EST
      Better Careful

      Our Senator from Tel Aviv is a scumbag and a snake, but a pal of Lindsey Graham's nevertheless.

      • 2 votes
      #13.2 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:47 PM EST
      DragonWoman

      Right now Joe "Droopy Dog" Lieberman is in the pocket of the Health Care industry.

      • 2 votes
      #13.3 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:27 PM EST
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      Bill K. NY

      Censured, of course. The Republican's don't have the congressional power to offer millions in bribes to keep members on the party line.

        Reply#15 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:48 PM EST
        jbird

        God forbid anyone in the GOP be willing to work as part of a unified congress on anything, to make the country run effectively!

        • 5 votes
        Reply#16 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:22 AM EST
        StevG-144

        The G.O.P. is not working against us directly, they are working against O'Bama directly, we are just caught in the cross fire. They figure the best way to get back in power is to stop and block every piece of legislation or bill they can, so O'bama will not show any success while he is in office. Then come election time it will be how he can't lead and did not do anything while he was in office, so vote for us.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#17 - Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM EST
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