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School district recalls evolution themed T-shirts claiming ''we must remain neutral on religion'

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T-shirts promoting the Smith-Cotton High School band's fall program have been recalled because of concerns about the shirt's evolution theme.

Assistant superintendent Brad Pollitt said parents complained to him after the band marched in the Missouri State Fair parade. Though the shirts don't violate the school's dress code, Pollitt noted that the district is required by law to remain neutral on religion.

"If the shirts had said 'Brass Resurrections' and had a picture of Jesus on the cross, we would have done the same thing," Pollitt said.

Designed with the help of band director Jordan Summers and assistant director Brian Kloppenburg, the light gray shirts feature an image of a monkey progressing through various stages of evolution until eventually becoming a human. Each figure holds a brass instrument that also evolves, illustrating the theme "Brass Evolutions."

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Carloz

“I was disappointed with the image on the shirt,” said Sherry Melby, a band parent who teaches in the district. “I don’t think evolution should be associated with our school.”

IMO, that quote is a jaw dropper! Since she feels that way, I'd say her kids would be good candidates for home schooling. Here is a link to an image of the shirt.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
Pacific Northwest Blogger

All the more reason they need a good basic education in the sciences...

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 5:21 PM EDT
douglasq

She might as well have said, "I don't think education should be associated with our school."

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 5:45 PM EDT
MotherKnowsBest-719453Deleted
tracey-602481

"I was disappointed with the image on the shirt," said Sherry Melby, a band parent who teaches in the district. "I don't think evolution should be associated with our school."

Translation: "I want our school to be associated with ignorance and superstition." When did the theory of evolution become religion?

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 7:16 PM EDT
Carloz

Well, the schools official's word's exchos the mother;s:

Assistant superintendent Brad Pollitt said parents complained to him after the band marched in the Missouri State Fair parade. Though the shirts don't violate the school's dress code, Pollitt noted that the district is required by law to remain neutral on religion.

It's like bizzaro world.

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 8:26 PM EDT
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Zom Zom

This is already being argued on another seed but, just to reiterate, the idea that presenting science to students is taking a "religious" stance makes me sick to my stomach. Who elected Taliban members to that schoolboard?

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 5:22 PM EDT
Holly-348328

Thank you, Zom, my sentiments exactly. WTF?

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
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Holly-348328

It sounds cute, and this is about the BAND, not religion or evolution. I saw a Simpsons episode where the opening had Homer evolving and Moe reverting so maybe they should think about suing Fox too. Good grief, this is where kids learn their self-entitlement issues. Sherry Melby, maybe you should take your child out of the band if you disagree instead of ruining it for everyone else. I'm so annoyed I can't write anymore. Besides, it's probably not PC to use the words 'evolution', 'creation', or 'religion' when you write because, my gosh, you might offend someone with nothing better to think about. <sarcasm>

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 5:25 PM EDT
Par4TheCourse

Well.. here is something that is really 'Out There' - there are some that think that so-called humans are actually planetary travelers from a distant past that use to inhabit other planets. To save the species they brought people from the planets before the demise of their planets, so that they could repopulate this one.

From what I have seen over the many decades I've been around - it seems not so far fetched. ha ha

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Sep 1, 2009 10:49 PM EDT
Holly-348328

Well, I guess you can't put together a band in school and name them "The Travelers" and have pictures of other planets and spaceships on t-shirts. This is so silly, because you should be able to do that if you want to.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
Par4TheCourse

Dammit and I thought I could Holly!! Gee..gosh..dang.. golly..(Opie like talk)...

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
Par4TheCourse

I believe like many Taxpayers do, that kiddos are sent to school to learn something, not to promote things unless it is school related. Whatever happened to Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic ? It isn't any wonder why the U.S. again fails to lead the world in Education.. we have a Board of Education that cannot run a school system.

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#4.3 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:22 PM EDT
Holly-348328

I was kind of wondering about that too. I don't remember these types of squabbles when I was a kid. I don't remember anyone caring much what color clothes I wore or if it had a monkey on it. I remember needing to know the answers to questions the teachers asked though. And I can still remember the names of every teacher I ever had. Perhaps our lens needs to be refocused?

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#4.4 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
Par4TheCourse

Holly, I am lucky if I remember the flavor of the month at the ice cream parlor. ;)

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#4.5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
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JayisunJ

In my opinion, if teachers are not allowed to teach the theory of creation alongside the theory of naturalistic evolution, they shouldn't be allowed to teach either theory. Science by definition doesn't require a pure "naturalistic" explanation of our origin. Science is simply the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena. Science doesn't rule out a supernatural theory of origin. Most "science" done today is done with naturalistic presuppositions which would lend to interpretation of observable, empirical data in a purely naturalistic way. When "science" is done with supernatural presuppositions, the same data is interpreted in a different way. The question is, which interpretation of the data is correct.

Those that call evolutionary theory a "religion" probably more so are implying that the only two plausible explanations for our origin (creation or evolution/naturalism) are competing "worldviews" which both attempt to answer the questions of our origin, meaning, morality, and destiny. Naturalism answers the question of origin with "slime + time + chance" while being completely unable to answer the question of where matter and space came from in the first place. Naturalism gives no answer to the question of the meaning of life (intrinsic meaning not self-given meaning). There is no absolute morality in the naturalistic worldview (only subjective personal morality). Lastly, naturalism views our ultimate destiny as a return to the dirt (ending of consciousness). The creation worldview offers answers to the questions of meaning, morality, and destiny as varied as the number of stars in the sky (depending on which "religion" is answering the questions), but purport that we were created by an intelligent being.

I personally am a Christian and believe the Christian worldview offers the most satisfying (and true) answer to each question. We were created by the God of the Bible (origin) to glorify His attributes of grace, mercy, justice, and holiness (meaning) by loving God and loving people ,which includes repenting of sin and trusting that God's Son Jesus Christ paid the price for our wrongs against God and man, and living a life of obedience to Him (morality) after which we will spend eternity in a place called heaven with God (destiny).

I don't want any religion to be taught in schools, but it is very important that children learn that life either evolved or it was created. There are two reasonable starting points.

    Reply#5 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
    Patty-Cakes

    They want to ban any reference in our schools to science? Jeezez! Yep, son, We have met the enemy and he is us

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
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