Police bring 6 cruisers, 8 cops, a helicopter, and use pepper spray to break up a small, private fundraiser for a Democratic congressional candidate.

imo, the cops who overreacted should be subject to charges ............and I agree, the other charges against the homeowner SHOULD be tossed out

Would be interesting to hear the 911 tapes. Wonder if a patrol car was even sent out to see. Wonder how much this exercise in stupidity cost the city coffers and by extension, the taxpayers.

If it were found that the complainant over-stated the situation, perphaps he would be subject to charges. The officer in charge should be censured and lose some pay. And the adrenelin junkies who cannot identify a fundraising party from a riot should be in line for some serious compulsory re-training, on their own time. The officer who trained them in the first place should lose his job, unfit for it if he cannot teach the difference between a threatening situation mob and a reasonable assembly. Is that enough to go around for this fiasco. One dumb overkill deserves another. This super-hero self-image stuff is killer. Where have all the peace-keepers gone?

I'm trying to imagine what kind of call would result in a HELICOPTER being sent to our neighborhood for a "loud party" call.

Seriously Rainkiss, and not only that, these women are in their late 50's, early 60's, obviously typical trouble makers who must be subdued by pepper spray and tasers. The idiot marshall Abbot felt "threatened", ooooh, bad grandma memories? lol. Having experienced police brutality myself at the age of 61, I can say some of these young cops are in serious need of psychological help, issues with strong, opinionated women and they feel "threatened". Yeah, whatever...pathetic! BTW, I'm pretty sure I saw a mention of this on Olbermann last night as well.

If the cops felt "threatened" and "surrounded" by a group of middle aged and older women, they need to turn in their badge and their testicles NOW.

Seriously, Rainkiss. We had the B96 party van broadcasting from my ex-inlaws house a couple summers back for one of those 'house' parties they used to give away to the nth caller. There were over 100 people at that party not to mention you could hear the music and noise over 3 blocks; all we got were 2 lousy cops that didn't look older than 18. Even then, all they did was ask the DJ to turn the music down. No helicoptors, no pepper spray, no citations issued. I think they each even walked away with their own pair of B96 thongs...

It also sounds like they had a somewhat inexperienced police officer respond who was quickly overwhelmed by the guests and overreacted

Two years on the force is not exactly inexperienced.

Overwhelmed? By 60 year old women?

8 Patrol cars and a Chopper? Pepper Spray? Tasers? Arm twisting arrest?

You have obviously not seen todays police in action when their adrenalin is flowing ..... I have, and not on TV, ........ in person, they are brutal, and this is not an isolated incident, this is the MO of the Police in modern day America.

Wait till you see what kind of Police State you will be living in 10 - 15 years from now. I'm 70 years old, I don't give a flyin' F* what the police do anymore. Compared to 50 years ago, our freedoms are gone, and they ain't comin' back.

If you don't believe me, just try and hold a Gay, Democratic fund raiser in a Conservative Republican District, and see what happens.

Don't they have any real criminals that need caught?

Easier to prey on the weak and innocent.

Don't they have any real criminals that need caught?

Easier to prey on the weak and innocent.

just like everywhere else---kid's keg beer parties get busted long before they ever exert any effort to actually catch some VIOLENT CRIMINALS--that would be actually doing their job

The city and the county are looking for anyway to raise money both are like the rest of California BROKE!

I know I live here.

Socalgal, you are hinting that it was truly a fundraising event... only on the part of law-enforcement"?

Interesting concept... one fund-raising event deserves another. Hmmmm. Better nip that idea in the bud, we have an election season coming up. The "tough on crime" stance is hardly appropriate if there is no crime committed. Call the on it... and reverse the charges.

NO not at all, I was actually replying to Luke's first sentence in his post what is up with San Diego. They are coming up with all kinds of creative ways to ticket or fine people and businesses right now.

Oh and we now have water rationing.

Sorry if I was not clear in my statement.

They are coming up with all kinds of creative ways to ticket or fine people and businesses right now.

Ticket people?! These people were thrown to the ground and arrested!

And 8 patrol cars and a Chopper doesn't seem very cost effective to me.

This was straight up political harassment, you don't hold Democratic fund raisers in Republican Congressional Districts in modern day America .......... 'snot allowed!

The good 'ol boys want to keep that lucrative bribery channel open that Duke Cunningham set up. Sure, ol' Duke is in prison, but that money and those military contracts are still out there, and you don't think the GOP is going to let the Dems get their foot in that door do you? When the GOP calls the cops, they come a runnin'.

What?! ... do you really think you live in free country?

Sheriff Kolender was appointed by Gray Davis back in the late 90's and Davis was a Democrat. Not saying he IS a Democrat, but knowing Gray Davis, the chances are good.

Sounds more like they have nothing else to do and needed to practice.

And here I can't even get the cops to come when the neighbors are screaming at each other, brawling with drunk guests, hitting a fence with a car, and throwing dishes and bottles at 2 am on a Monday.

Where the hell do you live WB?

Sounds like your neighbors really know how to party.

Seriously though, your comment lends support to my contention, that the raid on the Gay Dem fund raiser was politically motivated.

And I love ya Carloz, but IMO, this was no "over reaction" or "mishandled" police action. This thing went exactly the way the cops wanted and expected it to go.

As I said in comment #5.6 "This was straight up political harassment, you don't hold Democratic fund raisers in Republican Congressional Districts in modern day America ..."

BTW; This is a great seed Carloz, where do you find this stuff?

The Dems would like to believe it was political harrassment. But it was just terrible behavior on the part of the host. Cry me a river.

I am a Democrat, and I have never said I thought it was political harrassment. I said it sounded like "overkill" and "the police just mishandled the situation."

That makes two of us.

"the police just mishandled the situation

Come on guys, it seems the police are "mishandling" and "over reacting" an awful lot lately. This type of police behavior is becoming all too common in this country.

I'm not a Democrat and I think it waspolitical harassment. The GOP likely knew the candidate, or at least her supportors are gay, and wanted to create an situation that would bring that fact to the attention of the media.

Political campaigns are dirty games, I know, I was a player for awhile ........ 'snasty stuff.

it's called staying ON TOPIC--the AR act has nothin to do with this--don't cry, I've had some of my comments deleted for less ...not by carloz though....he's pretty fair minded

Not crying and frankly it was not a life-altering act. Nonetheless, thank you for the explanation; no problem.

I now have a better understanding of how to frame responses depending on who I'm responding to. It appears that it is best to comment in a uniform and conformist manner rather than take a satirical stab at a topic or attempt to be humorous, let alone sardonic. It also appears that to take a radically different viewpoint or present a somewhat perverse perspective can be perceived as going off topic.

Once more, my apologies.

Thanks for the definition Carlos, I had an idea of what a troll was based on those that have accused of being such but I've always wondered if there was actually an articulation of meaning behind the term.

I thought a troll was a monster that lived under a bridge and ate goats.

greck, just funny!---just for giggles, i went to wikipedia and typed in the cluster term and this is what showed up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster@!$%##C

(United State Marine Corps acronyms--hahahahaha--so funny!)

greck,

It is not funny, what he wrote in his report. His report would have shown that the crowd was surly, the people he spoke to were aggressive and argumentative, and that the individuals arrested had either assaulted him or had attempted to flee. "Peace" officers tweak the truth in their direction so often that wholesale fabrication becomes no burden on their conscience. I know this for a fact. I've been there, and I've had it done to me.

gre

ok, so explain this to me......I've read articles that state that it's OK for the media to lie to us.......I've seen numerous law & order, csi, etc that say that it's OK for law enforcement to lie to us......congress lies to us on a daily basis....WHY is this the status quo?

I grew up within a family that calls a spade a spade. always tell the truth so that you don't have to memorize any lies....what the he!! happened to the rest of the people like me?

Would you also consider the possibility that the party-goers could also be lying becuase they knew they had done wrong, but were loathe to admit it? She is a politician after all. Amazing that so many people from their lofty perches here at Newsvine automatically decide the police must be lying because they have some special insight into what actually happened and the psyche at the time of all the people invovled.

AT least by renting i have some control over my surroundings.

I am sure there are injustices in all of the world, you just find more about America that we all do put together. When I see you name on an article I know it will be good and unbiased.

I hope your friends catch the scumbags and that they hang for it. Figuratively of course.

WOW is right, not sure how police loosing their minds in San Diego is Obama's fault.

I can say that I have been on both sides of the coin when it comes to police in San Diego. I lived in a poor area and called to report a rape of a family member the police did not show for OVER 3 hours. Two to four hour delays seemed to be the norm if the police were called to that area of town. A few years later, I lived on "right side of the tracks" and heard some noise in the backyard - no exaggeration - the police arrived at my house within 5 minutes (two cars). We were blown away at how fast they showed up.

I have also had my purse stolen and was treated very kindly and respectfully by the police. I still teach my children to respect the law and my belief (although some may believe it to be naïve) is that there are more good police officers in San Diego than bad. I do not think they get into that line of work to bully people - somewhere along the line they loose their way.

I think a lot of people are losing their minds and diving lost head first into imaginary bunkers with their plastic guns and cowboy pj's on and mop head ponies waiting to charge and defend the world from..........

Good Lord...........what a bunch of maroons!

Liberals, by nature, are less likely to become soldiers. It is inherent in their moderate perspective. Not impossible, but not as likely.

I would have to strongly disagree with that statement. Liberals don't have a moderate perspective, they tend to have an ecentric perspective. However I know many Democrats who have made fine soldiers.

I know many Democrats who have made fine soldiers.

yes, as do I;however, the number of conservative military personnel whom I knew while in the service...simply out numbered the liberals at least 10 to 1.

Patriotism is universal.

It is simply a matter of analysis. Artist are usually liberal. Gun owners are more often conservative.

These are simply patterns which follow the two distinct party trends in our society.

They are not rules that cannot be bent or broken.

"however, the number of conservative military personnel whom I knew while in the service...simply out numbered the liberals at least 10 to 1."

I often think there are more dems in the military. They are just afraid to speak up and admit it.

as a vet, I agree Jeffery, but boons has a point too........I did learn when to keep my mouth shut in the service

It'll be interesting to see if the DA files charges for Rescue against the people who attempted to pull the lady from the Deputy's custody. Technically she was detained as it was a complaint call.

There is only one gaping hole of a problem with your "get the transmissions" concept, Zen.

The "authorities" are well aware of that particular weak link in their "documentation", and they tend to use cell phones to communicate in circumvention of just that. They realized this with the advent of the Rodney King trial.

Narcotics Task Force officers use cell phones for communications almost exclusively, due to drug traffickers utilizing police frequency scanners and having learned the 10 code, the 20 code and etc.

I would agree with that in cases where i probably am wrong, like speeding or some sort of traffic violation. But when you know what your doing is legal you can't backdown. Police are getting way out of control and if we submit every time they stick their chest out we are just giving them a false sense of superiority and the problem gets worse.

The problem is, only the bad is reported about the Police...none of the 1000s of calls that the police respond to everyday, where they do their job, and people are eternally grate full, are hardly ever reported.... I think most people take the police for granted.

Yes there are some bad apples, but the large majority are hard working men and women that risk there lives everyday for people like you and I.

several people I know have became LEO.......most either started out as bullies or 'small man's disease' the good ones are outnumbered in my experience...look at LEAP

Here, Here, mtpromises! I watched my kid brother-in-law graduate from high school, hold several menial jobs, get married, have three kids, attend the Correctional Officer's Academy and become a full time C.O. Then I watched as he slowly became emotionally constipated, bereft of empathy, and a calloused authoritarian @!$%#. His wife has since left him, and now he only dates female C.O.s.

It was a slow sad process, and excruciatingly heartbreaking to witness. He used to be so concerned and caring; he would have given you the shirt off of his back. Now we no longer attempt to involve him in any of our family events. When he is around our kids, I have to be ready at hand to intervene with his attempt at "correcting" their behavior. I have often had to tell him, "No Corrections moves on my kids!" It has been like watching a very slow version of "Invasion of the Body-Snatchers".

DSMc2gal, I also have seen this type of gradual change in friends and relatives who have become CO's. One of them was a caring homebody type mother of 2 children, one of which is autistic, her brother, an Ex- military cop turned CO, talked her into becoming a CO and now she is a straight up b!tch.

Her brother was also an ordingary fun loving type guy when he went into the Army and became an MP, eventually retired from the Army, became a CO and now he became a straight up pr!ck.

It's the nature of the job, many the guys they're dealing with every day would cut theirs throats in a heartbeat, given the chance. If you don't become a "hardnose" you'll never survive in the business.

BTW, many CO only stay in the business for about 2 years, by then they have had enough. The ones that remain have managed to harden themselves to deal with the harshness of jails and prisons. Unfortunately, it's hard for them to "check their CO attitude at the door" when they leave work.

Jerry,

I worked for 13+ years at Atascadero State Hospital, a maximum security psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane. In that time, I came to realize that there are (basically) two types of people who become COs. Those who are already @!$%#s and covet the position of power and authority, and those who believe that they will remain immune to the changes that being a CO instills in a person. The first type get what they were looking for, while the second type are slowly subsumed and usually unaware of the metamorphosis.

BTW, I was a Psychiatric Technician, and NOT a CO.

CO has to be just about the most difficult job one could have. Imagine going to work every day and the best you can hope for is sustaining incarceration without getting crap spit on you or thrown in your face. That would probably be a good day. A bad day could be infinitely worse.

No kidding,

They were probably on standby somewhere close though.

They were on the way but didn't get there in time.

You're kidding! I guess those involved need to shape up =-)!